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Message 1016 - Posted 1 Nov 2005 20:10:15 UTC

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    hows it all going??


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    Message 1018 - Posted 3 Nov 2005 18:52:28 UTC

      Hello anyone out there????

      Thi place has died for the moment hurry up with the upgrade will ya!!

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      Message 1021 - Posted 4 Nov 2005 18:02:08 UTC

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        Message 1031 - Posted 5 Nov 2005 10:25:35 UTC

          and another tumbleweed

          I make that 2 of them out there on their own poor things


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          Message 1040 - Posted 7 Nov 2005 22:19:21 UTC

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            Ok, sorry for being dumb lately, but I'm pretty busy with the translation-upgrade thing. My bosses made me to install a new test-server with 5.x and test it, before I can touch the SZDG server, and besides I have to finish the translation-system...and I'm only myself here, but trust me, I'm working as fast as I can...ha, this remembers me for my favorite poem, by A.A.Milne: Wind in the hill...do you know it?

            "No one can tell me, "
            "nobody knows "
            "Where the wind comes from "
            "Where the wind goes "

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            Message 1051 - Posted 12 Nov 2005 10:01:55 UTC

              Thanks for the update!!

              What gets be is the server software has been out since around August time it was stable and working back then you had all this time to get it upgraded but left it until after the BOINC Clients changed now you are rushing to get this project back on to the masses who have upgraded to 5.x.x

              Can I suggest the next time a new server upgrage is out and stable you ask your bosses if it can be upgraded!!

              It pays to keep the crunchers happy and on your side

              On the plus point you may see more users when the transalation is done and finished
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              Message 1053 - Posted 12 Nov 2005 14:17:41 UTC

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                On the contrary, he's not rushing it at all. You have been pushing him, but haven't read anything as to <i>why</i> it is taking Adam so much time to put the server 5 software on.

                It's got nothing so much to do with the server software being stable or not, it's got to do with the fact that the SZTAKI BOINC server software was written in Hungarian. BOINC 5 was in English only, or partially translated by using the .po files. Not an easy feat to just install it and expecting it to be compatible with the whole Hungarian backbone.

                With translations being done by Adam alone, things just don't go so quickly.

                "<i>It pays to keep the crunchers happy and on your side</i>"
                Please speak for yourself only. It pays for you to try to be informed by reading the forums.
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                Message 1054 - Posted 12 Nov 2005 17:21:45 UTC

                  @ Adam
                  Take your time ;)
                  A happy cruncher...
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                  Message 1055 - Posted 12 Nov 2005 19:57:23 UTC

                    The fact still remains that they have had sine August to upgrade the server time which could of been spent transalating the pages at the same time rather than leaving it past the last minute very bad MGT indeed
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                    Message 1056 - Posted 12 Nov 2005 20:57:45 UTC

                      How can you talk this way to Adam? I can't believe it!!! You're out of your mind, are you?
                      Sztaki is one of the smooth project and Adam is the best admin we met in a BOINC project (and with a big sense of humor).
                      If it's not done, he has surely some good reasons.
                      I think you have to apologise!


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                      Message 1058 - Posted 13 Nov 2005 0:01:46 UTC

                        Adam;

                        Thanks for the update. We understand the issues associated with translations, they can be very difficult at times. Don't rush, it is best to get it right the first time, it limits the complaints later. Like waiting for a fine wine, we can wait. A couple of extra weeks will not have much of an effect a year from now. Thats why BOINC allows multiple projects to run, when SZTAKI is at version 5 my systems should notice fairly quickly and we will be crunching again.
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                        Message 1059 - Posted 13 Nov 2005 2:30:07 UTC

                          Rosetta@Home seems to be the best project for Admin support they seem to stick closely to their forums to keep in touch with people add that personal touch unlike SETI
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                          Message 1061 - Posted 13 Nov 2005 17:26:08 UTC

                            Looking forward to seeing an increase in users in the next week or so when the server is upgraded the lazy people will be able to read in their native language, I didn't mind working through the hungarian to get set up.

                            My client is waiting to get some work patientally

                            No there isn't anything wrong with my Sig if anyone says there is I have just gotten it ready for the upgrade seen as though 5.X of the server uses BBcode rather than HTML
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                            Message 1067 - Posted 14 Nov 2005 13:38:55 UTC

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                              Hey, thanks for the posts. Well, everyone is right here and this is a place for critics too, so all is welcome! It's right that I should have done everything faster and if it makes you feel better I feel shame! Anyways, I've managed to catch up with the translation last weekend and I'm happy to announce that it's ready! (I can't belive I've done it) so nothing can stop me from upgrading now...thanks for the patientce and don't tell anyone, but I have a little surprise for amending all of you! Keep watching!
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                              Message 1071 - Posted 14 Nov 2005 22:16:02 UTC

                                So the upgrade is due to be applied to the server then at last!!

                                Whats the surprise ??
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                                Message 1077 - Posted 16 Nov 2005 1:09:45 UTC

                                  O.K. What is going on over there...

                                  11/15/2005 05:10:43 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: Need major version 4 of the BOINC core client. You have 5.

                                  I think your machine is backwards.

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                                  Message 1078 - Posted 16 Nov 2005 7:14:15 UTC

                                    Simple answer is the server is not upgraded yet
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                                    Message 1093 - Posted 18 Nov 2005 20:05:26 UTC

                                      Right 4 days ago the server was ready to be upgraded what has gone wrong now or what are you waiting for??


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                                      Message 1095 - Posted 18 Nov 2005 20:12:17 UTC

                                        Ahem: http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/forum_thread.php?id=80#1086

                                        complaints, complaints...
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                                        Message 1097 - Posted 18 Nov 2005 20:21:19 UTC

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                                          Message 1099 - Posted 18 Nov 2005 21:08:41 UTC

                                            Read Adam's BLOG at the top of the Messages for a full explaination why SZTAKI is not upgraded to v. 5.2.7 at this point.

                                            Do not blame Adam.

                                            He is doing his job.

                                            Keep calm and be cool.
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                                            Message 1110 - Posted 22 Nov 2005 21:07:09 UTC

                                              Another update would be nice please!!!

                                              Also tell your bosses they are going about this upgrade the wrong way something which should be so simple seems to have turned into a nightmare for you. Every other Live Boinc project has been upgraded now a long time back.

                                              If your bosses are aiming to annoy the BOINC Community they are doing pretty well with me.

                                              I'm looking forward to seeing the numbers increase as soon as that transalation arrives
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                                              Message 1112 - Posted 23 Nov 2005 15:13:32 UTC

                                                "<i>If your bosses are aiming to annoy the BOINC Community they are doing pretty well with me.</i>"

                                                Lucky then this isn't Folding@Home... now those people were annoying. ;)
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                                                Message 1113 - Posted 24 Nov 2005 8:41:35 UTC

                                                  Why do you complain? You can join a brand new BOINC project as

                                                  http://www.ufluids.net/

                                                  which μFluids a BOINC-based science project, will simulate "two-phase fluid behavior in microgravity and microfluidics problems" in order to "design better satellite propellant management devices and address two-phase flow in microchannel and MEMS devices."
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                                                  Message 1114 - Posted 24 Nov 2005 9:35:58 UTC

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                                                    I'm on Adam's side, take it easy lad, there will be work when there is work wasting the mans time whining at him isnt going to please you him his bosses or the rest of us eh.



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                                                    Message 1115 - Posted 24 Nov 2005 19:52:14 UTC

                                                      Having info on projects is the best thing to have it keeps the volunteers informed of what is going on and silence isn't very good at all


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                                                      Message 1116 - Posted 25 Nov 2005 3:56:08 UTC

                                                        Ah yes, all the information of the Seti admins is deafening us who try to help out there. ;)

                                                        Mind... no information. It's just us "other crunchers" trying to help out there.
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                                                        Message 1117 - Posted 25 Nov 2005 19:44:19 UTC

                                                          I don't believe I am on a SETI board so that has nothing to do with here, I rarely use the SETI board I have no need to its one of the only BOINC Forums I hate, theres always hundreds of people posting the same thing over and over again and it has gotten worse now that it is due to close classic.

                                                          There project has become too big for them to manage popping into the forums to say hi, if only they had one or two of their admin pop in every day it may improve things
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                                                          Message 1118 - Posted 26 Nov 2005 0:15:31 UTC

                                                            You can quite easily determine which projects are well-run and which are poorly-run - just look at how frequently the project staff posts on the message boards. SETI is one of the worst, but Predictor and now SZTAKI are rapidly catching up, if not passing them. It's a shame, because SZTAKI at least started out as one of the best. Einstein is still quite decent, and Rosetta is great. No idea about any others. I've cut SETI, SZTAKI, and Predictor back quite a bit on my resource share to give more to the projects that still seem interested in having people contributing.

                                                            All we've heard from SZTAKI is one delay after another - and I'm _not_ blaming Adam, it's obvious he is not the one in charge, and he may well be doing all he can. Regardless, I'll be installing V5 on my last computer this weekend, and thus detaching from the project. Predictor may soon follow. SETI is already down to being run only on the slower Macs that just can't handle longer WUs, but when SETI Enhanced ships, those will probably move to Rosetta (assuming they have their Mac bug fixed - otherwise, already would). Heck, without the "funn" but unresponsive projects, maybe I'll have enough RAC available to consider CPDN!

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                                                            Message 1120 - Posted 26 Nov 2005 15:43:50 UTC

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                                                              @ Adam, some news would be "interesting" ;)
                                                              I have no problem for now with this project because i'm using the CC 4.32 but i understand also people using the CC 5.x.x ...
                                                              I would say that All that is a little "annoying" ... :(
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                                                              Message 1121 - Posted 26 Nov 2005 20:40:47 UTC

                                                                Adam will get the change over to v.5 when he is allowed. Doing the switchover for SZTAKI is not as easy as for the rest of the BOINC projects because everything is hardcoded in Hungarian. Please read other threads for information before continually complaning. Yes, I would like also to see SZTAKI to v.5 so all my clients will be again crunching. But, there are many other projects to crunch until then.

                                                                Keep up the great work Adam. We all look forward to crunching with v.5

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                                                                Message 1122 - Posted 26 Nov 2005 20:49:29 UTC

                                                                  The transalation was done days ago and the upgrade is sat there waiting to be installed, the only info we got was that the bosses had him on another task and that it was again on hold and would be another few days until it could be done.

                                                                  It takes 2 mins to come to the front page and edit the News to let the BOINC community know what is going on
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                                                                  Message 1123 - Posted 26 Nov 2005 21:03:23 UTC

                                                                    Yes, but he also now has to write all the documentation for EVERYTHING. This in itself could be some time, depending how in-depth he is required to go. This is my favorite project so I want to see it go as well. I have always lived by, "Don't worry about things you can not control". It will be done when it is done. Adam may be prevented by those same bosses from posting the information, we do not know.

                                                                    Enjoy the weekend and let Adam also.
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                                                                    Message 1124 - Posted 26 Nov 2005 21:10:18 UTC

                                                                      Just another classic case of a project not keeping in touch with their volunteers, I wouldn't be too bothered if the project was working and sending out WU's its when things aren't happening with a project that makes it bad


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                                                                      Message 1125 - Posted 27 Nov 2005 8:17:06 UTC

                                                                        Please stop fill up this board with your complaints. It's really boring! If you don't like the way this project is handled, stop moaning, quit it and go stress other people in another projects. And if you really want to work for Sztaki, re-install BOINC v4 (that's what I do and it works very well).


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                                                                        Message 1126 - Posted 27 Nov 2005 12:01:23 UTC

                                                                          Funny that im sure a forum is for people to air there views and gripes no matter what the subject


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                                                                          Message 1127 - Posted 27 Nov 2005 12:19:07 UTC

                                                                            '... air the views....' that's very, very funny. Especially from you.


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                                                                            Message 1128 - Posted 27 Nov 2005 15:15:26 UTC

                                                                              gald you think I'm funny greatly appreciated :D
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                                                                              Message 1129 - Posted 27 Nov 2005 20:24:03 UTC

                                                                                Fix your sigs Halifax-lad...

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                                                                                Message 1130 - Posted 27 Nov 2005 21:10:38 UTC

                                                                                  No thanks there ready for when the upgrade is applied, then I won't have to mess about altering my sig when that time comes. I can live with it displaying like that until then
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                                                                                  Message 1131 - Posted 28 Nov 2005 1:22:53 UTC

                                                                                    I love it... I detach from the project, finally giving up, on Saturday. On Sunday, I'm the "user of the day".

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                                                                                    Message 1134 - Posted 29 Nov 2005 4:53:15 UTC

                                                                                      They don't want a good guy to quit the project. I'll get up to Server version 5.x software soon. Adam K. is a good guy but there are a lot of languages to deal with...

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                                                                                      Message 1135 - Posted 29 Nov 2005 7:12:17 UTC

                                                                                        there are a lot of languages to deal with...


                                                                                        The Transalation is done it is his Bosses now who have but the spanner in the works.
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                                                                                        Message 1136 - Posted 29 Nov 2005 15:55:09 UTC

                                                                                          To Halifax--lad:

                                                                                          Relax. No one (including you) knows what is happening, except Adam and the others running this project.

                                                                                          A few days ago you wrote: "I wouldn't be too bothered if the project was working and sending out WU's its when things aren't happening with a project that makes it bad."

                                                                                          This is not true. If you look right now, there are 12,376 WU ready for us to process. So they are sending out WU's, things are happening, and the project is working. A bit slowly, because you and a 'few' others moved to Boinc 5.x.

                                                                                          If you are really interested in doing the science for this project, go back to Boinc v. 4.x.

                                                                                          I have not moved over to v. 5.x, in order to run this project because of my interest in the mathematics of this project.

                                                                                          I am still running several other projects with v.4 (they do not need v.5 to run them). Probably the projects you are running can use v.4 also.

                                                                                          We need you back here to help us. Hope to write a note later saying "welcome back to the project" when you go back to v. 4.x and process some of the WU's for this project.

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