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Message 1201 - Posted 9 Dec 2005 16:30:51 UTC

    Has this project enabled homogeneous redundancy? I\'l getting the \'other platform\' messages now.

    12/9/2005 8:37:59 AM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Sending scheduler request to http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/cgi-bin/scheduler
    12/9/2005 8:37:59 AM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Reason: To fetch work
    12/9/2005 8:37:59 AM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Requesting 518400 seconds of new work
    12/9/2005 8:38:04 AM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Scheduler request to http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/cgi-bin/scheduler succeeded
    12/9/2005 8:38:04 AM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: No work sent
    12/9/2005 8:38:04 AM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: (there was work but it was committed to other platforms)
    12/9/2005 8:38:04 AM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|New host venue: 10249.3582
    12/9/2005 8:38:04 AM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|No work from project

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    Message 1208 - Posted 9 Dec 2005 22:33:06 UTC - in response to Message 1201.

      Has this project enabled homogeneous redundancy? I\'l getting the \'other platform\' messages now.

      12/9/2005 8:37:59 AM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Sending scheduler request to http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/cgi-bin/scheduler
      12/9/2005 8:37:59 AM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Reason: To fetch work
      12/9/2005 8:37:59 AM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Requesting 518400 seconds of new work
      12/9/2005 8:38:04 AM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Scheduler request to http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/cgi-bin/scheduler succeeded
      12/9/2005 8:38:04 AM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: No work sent
      12/9/2005 8:38:04 AM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: (there was work but it was committed to other platforms)
      12/9/2005 8:38:04 AM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|New host venue: 10249.3582
      12/9/2005 8:38:04 AM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|No work from project


      Same here it seems to be only one or two units a day only according to other message board
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      Message 1217 - Posted 10 Dec 2005 5:44:51 UTC - in response to Message 1208.

        Has this project enabled homogeneous redundancy? I\'l getting the \'other platform\' messages now.

        12/9/2005 8:37:59 AM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Sending scheduler request to http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/cgi-bin/scheduler
        12/9/2005 8:37:59 AM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Reason: To fetch work
        12/9/2005 8:37:59 AM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Requesting 518400 seconds of new work
        12/9/2005 8:38:04 AM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Scheduler request to http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/cgi-bin/scheduler succeeded
        12/9/2005 8:38:04 AM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: No work sent
        12/9/2005 8:38:04 AM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: (there was work but it was committed to other platforms)
        12/9/2005 8:38:04 AM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|New host venue: 10249.3582
        12/9/2005 8:38:04 AM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|No work from project


        Same here it seems to be only one or two units a day only according to other message board


        I still think the real problem might be with the venue.

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        Message 1219 - Posted 10 Dec 2005 11:28:05 UTC - in response to Message 1217.

          Not necessarily:

          10/12/2005 12:35:29|http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/|Scheduler request to http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/cgi-bin/scheduler succeeded
          10/12/2005 12:35:29|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: No work sent
          10/12/2005 12:35:29|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: (there was work but it was committed to other platforms)
          10/12/2005 12:35:29|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|New host venue: home


          Correct host venue, but same \'wrong platform\'. ;)
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          Message 1307 - Posted 14 Dec 2005 3:47:15 UTC

            Well, I had the exceeded limit issue so I detached, reattached and got WU\'s and the limit was then at 500. Those 3 crunched and when the last one reported, it was again back to the 1 WU limit. I needed to reboot so I exited BOINC and when I starte BOINC I got this:

            12/13/2005 7:44:44 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Computer ID: 6974; location: 54162,62; project prefs: default

            Exit BOINC, edit xml to change to \"location: Work\", restarted BOINC and it indicated at work correctly. But I did a manual update and I again get:

            12/13/2005 7:45:25 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Sending scheduler request to http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/cgi-bin/scheduler
            12/13/2005 7:45:25 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Reason: Requested by user
            12/13/2005 7:45:25 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Requesting 17280 seconds of new work
            12/13/2005 7:45:30 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Scheduler request to http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/cgi-bin/scheduler succeeded
            12/13/2005 7:45:30 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: No work sent
            12/13/2005 7:45:30 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: (reached daily quota of 1 results)
            12/13/2005 7:45:30 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|New host venue: 54162.62

            I think it is all tied together. My client that is still on 4.45 and was always getting work has no problems.

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            Message 1316 - Posted 14 Dec 2005 13:06:34 UTC

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              You\'re killing me with this

              12/14/2005 08:09:37|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Sending scheduler request to http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/cgi-bin/scheduler
              12/14/2005 08:09:37|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Reason: Requested by user
              12/14/2005 08:09:37|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Requesting 43200 seconds of new work
              12/14/2005 08:09:42|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Scheduler request to http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/cgi-bin/scheduler succeeded
              12/14/2005 08:09:42|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: No work sent
              12/14/2005 08:09:42|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: (reached daily quota of 1 results)

              and this isn\'t helping

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              Message 1317 - Posted 14 Dec 2005 18:26:36 UTC

                I suspect the problem is with SZTAKI having something off by 1 position when are hosts communicate with the project and it is returning that number as a venue which confuses the core client.

                Anyone getting a number instead of a venue word, can you go to you host page on SZTAKI and see if that number is shown, ie it might be your credits or something else on that page. This would confirm the problem.

                There probally is an update script they forgot to run to move everything over one column to make room for a new column, like the RCDF factor now being used by the 5.2.x clients.

                Until they fix on thier end our clients will not receive work or enough work.

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                Message 1320 - Posted 14 Dec 2005 19:05:44 UTC

                  I do not see any number anywhere that is even close to my current number, and this number has changed before.

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                  Message 1321 - Posted 14 Dec 2005 19:10:34 UTC - in response to Message 1316.

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                    12/14/2005 08:09:42|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: (reached daily quota of 1 results)


                    The funny thing is, if you look in your computer summary for the host, there is most probably still a daily quota of 500 units per CPU per day. ;)

                    Keith, my venue is 0 ... Have fun cracking that one.
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                    Message 1322 - Posted 14 Dec 2005 19:48:22 UTC

                      12/14/2005 08:09:42|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: (reached daily quota of 1 results)
                      Iif you look in your computer summary for the host, there is most probably still a daily quota of 500 units per CPU per day.

                      But the problem is probally the database is off by one column. I\'ve seen this before on projects. Your quota may show correctly at 500/day on the screen, but when the scheduler reads the file it is reading the wrong column and the wrong value, thats why you host says your quota of of 1 is exceeded. It goes the same for the venue, hosts are set to home but the scheduler reads the wrong column amnd the wrong value and sends out a number and then your host is not using the preferences you specified but the default. This also sometimes will overwrite the setting on your host and then filter back to other projects and then you are not processing per your specified percentages. There is a xml file for each project on your host that also stores the venue, plus the venue settings for each of the four (default-home-work-school) settings. I suspect all these problems with daily quota and wrong venue are related to the same thing on the projects end.

                      I do not see any number anywhere that is even close to my current number, and this number has changed before.

                      If the number changes, thats my point exactly, your credit changes constantly, you only see the current, but not the past at the time the scheduler was contacted. It also could be the date or another variable that constantly changes such as RAC, on-time percentage, etc.

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                      Message 1331 - Posted 15 Dec 2005 12:19:17 UTC

                        Why does the venue keep changing?

                        12/15/2005 07:23:14|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Sending scheduler request to http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/cgi-bin/scheduler
                        12/15/2005 07:23:14|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Reason: Requested by user
                        12/15/2005 07:23:14|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Reporting 38 results
                        12/15/2005 07:23:19|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Scheduler request to http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/cgi-bin/scheduler succeeded
                        12/15/2005 07:23:19|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|New host venue: 4644.1673

                        12/15/2005 07:24:05||request_reschedule_cpus: project op
                        12/15/2005 07:24:07||request_reschedule_cpus: project op
                        12/15/2005 07:24:10|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Sending scheduler request to http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/cgi-bin/scheduler
                        12/15/2005 07:24:10|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Reason: Requested by user
                        12/15/2005 07:24:10|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Note: not requesting new work or reporting results
                        12/15/2005 07:24:15|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Scheduler request to http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/cgi-bin/scheduler succeeded
                        12/15/2005 07:24:15|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|New host venue: 6927.1673

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                        Message 1334 - Posted 15 Dec 2005 16:43:31 UTC - in response to Message 1322.

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                          Message 1382 - Posted 19 Dec 2005 14:38:12 UTC

                            18/12/2005 23:13:04|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Computer ID: 7458; location: 20478.0344; project prefs: default
                            19/12/2005 01:13:28|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|New host venue: 1604.7344
                            19/12/2005 01:13:28||General prefs: no separate prefs for 1604.7344; using your defaults
                            19/12/2005 01:13:44|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|New host venue: 3763.2344
                            19/12/2005 03:14:12|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|New host venue: 1144.5344
                            19/12/2005 05:15:24|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|New host venue: 1145.1344
                            19/12/2005 07:17:49|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|New host venue: 4429.5344
                            19/12/2005 08:18:40|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|New host venue: 3352.2344
                            19/12/2005 09:19:00|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|New host venue: 3338.7344
                            19/12/2005 10:19:20|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|New host venue: 4424.7344
                            19/12/2005 12:21:36|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|New host venue: 5525.7344
                            19/12/2005 14:22:19|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|New host venue: 5517.6344

                            voila ! :) no error

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                            Message 1385 - Posted 20 Dec 2005 2:52:41 UTC

                              What\'s wrong with this statement

                              My computer
                              12/19/2005 21:59:51|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: No work sent
                              12/19/2005 21:59:51|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: (there was work but it was committed to other platforms)
                              12/19/2005 21:59:51|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|No work from project


                              Server stats
                              Ready to send 12,586
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                              Message 1388 - Posted 20 Dec 2005 15:25:11 UTC - in response to Message 1385.

                                What\'s wrong with this statement

                                My computer
                                12/19/2005 21:59:51|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: No work sent
                                12/19/2005 21:59:51|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: (there was work but it was committed to other platforms)
                                12/19/2005 21:59:51|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|No work from project


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                                Ready to send 12,586


                                It all straightens out after some time. I had this happen several times from other projects. Then I searched for this in BOINC Wiki \"http://boinc-doc.net/boinc-wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page\".


                                From BOINC Wiki : \"there was work but it was committed to other platforms\"

                                \"http://boinc-doc.net/boinc-wiki/index.php?title=Message_from_server:_%28there_was_work_but_it_was_committed_to_other_platforms%29\"

                                And Definition of \"Homogeneous Redundancy\"
                                \"http://boinc-doc.net/boinc-wiki/index.php?title=Homogeneous_Redundancy\"

                                Hope this helps,
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                                Message 1393 - Posted 21 Dec 2005 5:19:22 UTC

                                  The problem is I\'ll get 6 work unit then \"there was work but it was committed to other platforms\" message. It takes 20 - 30 mins to complete those 6 work units, mean while BOINC has to wait 60 mins to download more work because \"\"communications deferred 00:59:00\" and this is happening on six computers. I don\'t like to run more than one project at once, so maybe it\'s time to move on.
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                                  Message 1429 - Posted 25 Dec 2005 14:06:28 UTC

                                    SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: No work sent
                                    SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: (there was work but it was committed to other platforms)
                                    SZTAKI Desktop Grid|No work from project
                                    Deferring communication with project for 1 hour, 0 minutes and o seconds

                                    Ready to send 19,440

                                    Master program szdg Running
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                                    Boinc Core Client : 4.32


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                                    Message 1435 - Posted 28 Dec 2005 1:58:17 UTC

                                      And more of that... Is it a server quota maybe? That the server is only allowed to send out 500 work units per day?

                                      28/12/2005 01:06:20|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: No work sent
                                      28/12/2005 01:06:20|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: (there was work but it was committed to other platforms)
                                      28/12/2005 01:06:20|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|No work from project

                                      And an hour later:

                                      28/12/2005 02:06:28|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: No work sent
                                      28/12/2005 02:06:28|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: (reached daily quota of 500 results)
                                      28/12/2005 02:06:28|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|No work from project

                                      I give it another day or so and then detach for one last time.. Too bad then.
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                                      Message 1453 - Posted 1 Jan 2006 20:44:47 UTC

                                        I believe that it is a select * someplace that then gets columns by index. There have been some columns inserted into the middle of some of the tables. At least this is the experience on LHC.
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                                        Message 1454 - Posted 1 Jan 2006 22:08:27 UTC - in response to Message 1453.

                                          Could it be related to this thread?

                                          http://www.ssl.berkeley.edu/pipermail/boinc_dev/2005-January/001304.html

                                          There seems to less than 100 wu available most of the time.
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                                          Message 1458 - Posted 2 Jan 2006 12:35:47 UTC - in response to Message 1454.

                                            Could it be related to this thread?

                                            http://www.ssl.berkeley.edu/pipermail/boinc_dev/2005-January/001304.html

                                            There seems to less than 100 wu available most of the time.

                                            Interesting :)

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                                            Message 1459 - Posted 2 Jan 2006 12:36:32 UTC

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                                              Same problem again
                                              http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/forum_thread.php?id=176
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                                              Message 2459 - Posted 17 Apr 2006 16:31:20 UTC

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                                                Hey Misfit, i have a question for you.
                                                What\'s the point ??
                                                Even if this is a joke, no need to write the same thing in 2 different topics. ;)
                                                I removed your 2 \"sorry, thread closed\".
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                                                Message 3294 - Posted 30 Jun 2006 6:43:36 UTC

                                                  This problem, and I\'m seeing it too, looks like something that had come up on predictor@home all the time, in times past. I think they\'re way around it was to increase the number of available work units to a larger value.

                                                  In the case of predictor, it was that they used (I forgot the specific name for it), but a feature in BOINC which ties a work unit to a given CPU/operating system combo. This was to prevent an Intel and an AMD machine from validating against one another, same for Linux vs. Windows. Reason for this is that the math libraries and the fp implementations in an AMD vs. an Intel CPU very ever so slightly. This slight variation results in a slightly different (albeit not necessarily \"incorrect\") calculated result. In the case of predictor, they do want to carry the precision of their calculations that far out...

                                                  Myself, I was about to ask how specific on the OS/CPU combo the scheduler gets? AKA, I have Windows Vista beta here. Will it care if I\'m running Windows 6.0 and someone else is running XP (aka Windows 5.1 if I remember correctly) wrt the version numbers? Or will it count 2 Windows versions as both being Windows... If it\'s the former, I might not get work, unless others are beta testing the new Windows...
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                                                  Message 3297 - Posted 30 Jun 2006 13:23:32 UTC - in response to Message 3294.

                                                    This problem, and I\'m seeing it too, looks like something that had come up on predictor@home all the time, in times past. I think they\'re way around it was to increase the number of available work units to a larger value.

                                                    In the case of predictor, it was that they used (I forgot the specific name for it), but a feature in BOINC which ties a work unit to a given CPU/operating system combo. This was to prevent an Intel and an AMD machine from validating against one another, same for Linux vs. Windows. Reason for this is that the math libraries and the fp implementations in an AMD vs. an Intel CPU very ever so slightly. This slight variation results in a slightly different (albeit not necessarily \"incorrect\") calculated result. In the case of predictor, they do want to carry the precision of their calculations that far out...

                                                    Myself, I was about to ask how specific on the OS/CPU combo the scheduler gets? AKA, I have Windows Vista beta here. Will it care if I\'m running Windows 6.0 and someone else is running XP (aka Windows 5.1 if I remember correctly) wrt the version numbers? Or will it count 2 Windows versions as both being Windows... If it\'s the former, I might not get work, unless others are beta testing the new Windows...



                                                    homogeneous redundancy

                                                    they use it on leiden and Marc (the admin over there) has tweeked it because differences in processors (amd vs intel, etc) were causing problems.
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                                                    Message 3485 - Posted 13 Jul 2006 14:44:07 UTC

                                                      What is this???

                                                      2006.07.13. 13:41:06|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Started download of dc-api.conf_6e2bb699-f9fc-4a29-9506-e64c41085493
                                                      2006.07.13. 13:41:08|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Temporarily failed download of dc-api.conf_6e2bb699-f9fc-4a29-9506-e64c41085493: error 500
                                                      2006.07.13. 13:41:08|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Backing off 1 hours, 2 minutes, and 20 seconds on download of file dc-api.conf_6e2bb699-f9fc-4a29-9506-e64c41085493
                                                      2006.07.13. 14:16:16|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Started download of dc-api.conf_0d7b8652-78b8-43f2-a0e6-06d0fb6c2ba0
                                                      2006.07.13. 14:16:18|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Temporarily failed download of dc-api.conf_0d7b8652-78b8-43f2-a0e6-06d0fb6c2ba0: error 500
                                                      2006.07.13. 14:16:18|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Backing off 1 hours, 17 minutes, and 1 seconds on download of file dc-api.conf_0d7b8652-78b8-43f2-a0e6-06d0fb6c2ba0
                                                      2006.07.13. 14:28:27|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Started download of dc-api.conf_8db232c1-7c3d-43ab-bf44-b376eae3a2d6
                                                      2006.07.13. 14:28:29|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Temporarily failed download of dc-api.conf_8db232c1-7c3d-43ab-bf44-b376eae3a2d6: error 500
                                                      2006.07.13. 14:28:29|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Backing off 1 hours, 41 minutes, and 33 seconds on download of file dc-api.conf_8db232c1-7c3d-43ab-bf44-b376eae3a2d6
                                                      2006.07.13. 14:43:28|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Started download of dc-api.conf_6e2bb699-f9fc-4a29-9506-e64c41085493
                                                      2006.07.13. 14:43:30|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Temporarily failed download of dc-api.conf_6e2bb699-f9fc-4a29-9506-e64c41085493: error 500
                                                      2006.07.13. 14:43:30|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Backing off 2 hours, 59 minutes, and 42 seconds on download of file dc-api.conf_6e2bb699-f9fc-4a29-9506-e64c41085493
                                                      2006.07.13. 15:33:19|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Started download of dc-api.conf_0d7b8652-78b8-43f2-a0e6-06d0fb6c2ba0
                                                      2006.07.13. 15:33:21|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Temporarily failed download of dc-api.conf_0d7b8652-78b8-43f2-a0e6-06d0fb6c2ba0: error 500
                                                      2006.07.13. 15:33:21|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Backing off 1 hours, 44 minutes, and 26 seconds on download of file dc-api.conf_0d7b8652-78b8-43f2-a0e6-06d0fb6c2ba0


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                                                      Message 3489 - Posted 13 Jul 2006 17:05:04 UTC - in response to Message 3485.

                                                        What is this???

                                                        2006.07.13. 13:41:08|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Temporarily failed download of dc-api.conf_6e2bb699-f9fc-4a29-9506-e64c41085493: error 500

                                                        Help me!

                                                        first place to look is the Mysterious error 500 still with me thread on the BOINC forum, apparently there\'s some good info/tips/suggestions on there somewhere, and maybe a solution for some people

                                                        currently it\'s a problematic error, something is just returning this generalised \"500\" error, it needs further investigation by the BOINC staff
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                                                        Message 3528 - Posted 14 Jul 2006 14:58:45 UTC

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                                                          I wonder if it is related to this bug :

                                                          http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=979

                                                          In some cases, core client and scheduler go totally out of sync, the scheduler reply comes in but it does not match the scheduler request, they are somehow shifted by one, i.e. reply 2 comes in when reply 3 is expected, reply 3 comes in when reply 4 is expected ...

                                                          The core client is totally unable to get this thing fixed. Not even a Reset can fix it.

                                                          If no work is there anymore, a detach from the project and then a fresh attach might help.

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