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Message 1315 - Posted 14 Dec 2005 12:40:53 UTC

    Is there a problem??? I have the capacity to do some good but being restricted from getting data to process.

    I will stay with it for a while but I am sure other projects can use my resources in a more efficient manner.
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    Message 1318 - Posted 14 Dec 2005 18:56:12 UTC

      What was the reason it deferred? With a little more info someone should be able to figure out what is going on.

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      Message 1319 - Posted 14 Dec 2005 19:01:38 UTC

        12/14/2005 1:59:19 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Sending scheduler request to http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/cgi-bin/scheduler
        12/14/2005 1:59:19 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Reason: To fetch work
        12/14/2005 1:59:19 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Requesting 17280 seconds of new work
        12/14/2005 1:59:24 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Scheduler request to http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/cgi-bin/scheduler succeeded
        12/14/2005 1:59:24 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: No work sent
        12/14/2005 1:59:24 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: (reached daily quota of 1000 results)
        12/14/2005 1:59:24 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|No work from project

        The above is ALL I can see and its not real. I have not reached daily quota by any strech of imagination.

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        Message 1324 - Posted 14 Dec 2005 21:55:36 UTC - in response to Message 1319.

          Boinc cliens tends to report false problem if there is no work from the project. I don\'t know why, maybe they know it in Berkeley and will correct it someday.
          What have caused the lack of WUs? Well, as you all know Boinc somehow refused to grant credit for the smaller WUs. The only solution I could come up with for this in a hurry is that to generate bigger WUs. Which took some time...(see the blog for more details)
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          Message 1332 - Posted 15 Dec 2005 12:48:00 UTC

            There seems to be no effort to resolve problems or to keep participants informed on the status of the system or any problems. I have been with Seti for 8 years or more and I find they run a professional operation, keeping you informed of problems they are aware of and working to resolve them ASAP.
            I see no effort here to resolve issues or to communicate with the community. As I stated originally I will give this 2 more days then I am out of here unless problems are resolved or some timeline is provided to resolving what seems to be total chaos or lack of care about the project.
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            Message 1333 - Posted 15 Dec 2005 16:24:23 UTC - in response to Message 1332.

              There seems to be no effort to resolve problems or to keep participants informed on the status of the system or any problems.


              Unicorn,
              If you only joined on Dec. 13,2005, then you have no knowledge of what few \"bumps\" there have been here, nor how quickly the problems have been solved.
              Only one person is here to solve the problems and Adam is doing an excellent job. Everyone, including me, would like to be informed about the status of the system, but when there is not enough time for Adam to solve problems, write documentation, have time for himself, and inform us, expect some delay in communication. Adam has been faster in the past in keeping us informed, but with the work to update to 5.x, test 5.x, translate the website from Hungarian into English, he has not had time to keep up with \"news\".

              Adam does resolve most problems asap. There have been delays caused by the ones in charge of SZTAKI, but as soon as Adam was given the go ahead, he did get everything back on track.

              I have been with Seti for 8 years or more and I find they run a professional operation, keeping you informed of problems they are aware of and working to resolve them ASAP.


              Seti started in May 1999 when I signed up. Not sure how you were with Seti for 8 or more years? And talk about problems - Seti has had a lot of problems and many in recent times. The problems have not in most cases been solved quickly.
              They do have more people to solve the problems than SZTAKI, therefore they should be able to do so faster.

              I see no effort here to resolve issues or to communicate with the community.


              As I said before, Adam is the only one here to do the work. You would know that if you had been here longer.

              As I stated originally I will give this 2 more days then I am out of here unless problems are resolved or some timeline is provided to resolving what seems to be total chaos or lack of care about the project.


              With BOINC, there are several other projects to work on. I have noticed some of them have problems also (worst than here), but in every case the people running them are doing their best to solve the problems. SETI would welcome you back.

              Jim,I would recommend that you stay with SZTAKI for a couple of weeks or longer to see that the present problems will be solved. Adam will continue to make improvements asap, but also know that Adam has other things to do, such as writing the documentation for the ones in charge.

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              Message 1337 - Posted 15 Dec 2005 17:16:23 UTC - in response to Message 1333.

                There seems to be no effort to resolve problems or to keep participants informed on the status of the system or any problems.


                Unicorn,
                If you only joined on Dec. 13,2005, then you have no knowledge of what few \"bumps\" there have been here, nor how quickly the problems have been solved.
                Only one person is here to solve the problems and Adam is doing an excellent job. Everyone, including me, would like to be informed about the status of the system, but when there is not enough time for Adam to solve problems, write documentation, have time for himself, and inform us, expect some delay in communication. Adam has been faster in the past in keeping us informed, but with the work to update to 5.x, test 5.x, translate the website from Hungarian into English, he has not had time to keep up with \"news\".

                Adam does resolve most problems asap. There have been delays caused by the ones in charge of SZTAKI, but as soon as Adam was given the go ahead, he did get everything back on track.

                I have been with Seti for 8 years or more and I find they run a professional operation, keeping you informed of problems they are aware of and working to resolve them ASAP.


                Seti started in May 1999 when I signed up. Not sure how you were with Seti for 8 or more years? And talk about problems - Seti has had a lot of problems and many in recent times. The problems have not in most cases been solved quickly.
                They do have more people to solve the problems than SZTAKI, therefore they should be able to do so faster.

                I see no effort here to resolve issues or to communicate with the community.


                As I said before, Adam is the only one here to do the work. You would know that if you had been here longer.

                As I stated originally I will give this 2 more days then I am out of here unless problems are resolved or some timeline is provided to resolving what seems to be total chaos or lack of care about the project.


                With BOINC, there are several other projects to work on. I have noticed some of them have problems also (worst than here), but in every case the people running them are doing their best to solve the problems. SETI would welcome you back.

                Jim,I would recommend that you stay with SZTAKI for a couple of weeks or longer to see that the present problems will be solved. Adam will continue to make improvements asap, but also know that Adam has other things to do, such as writing the documentation for the ones in charge.

                Thanks,
                Richard

                Well said.

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                Message 1340 - Posted 15 Dec 2005 21:19:15 UTC

                  Thanks for the information! I did not realize this was a shoestring operation run by one overworked but dedicated (underappreciated) \"Adam\" perhaps its time for Eve to get onboard.

                  All kidding aside, I considerd this a worthwhile project but was surprized by the ongoing problems and the lack of information you now provided.

                  OK 6 years may seem like 9 some days and Seti was my benchmark for communication and problem resolution, which I considered less than ideal but acceptable. I guess this is a different world and I will be patient knowing that someone does give a damn and its not just the old mushroom farm.

                  Thanks again for taking the time to reply with useful information.
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                  Message 1343 - Posted 15 Dec 2005 22:37:46 UTC - in response to Message 1340.

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                    Thanks for the information! I did not realize this was a shoestring operation run by one overworked but dedicated (underappreciated) \"Adam\" perhaps its time for Eve to get onboard.

                    All kidding aside, I considerd this a worthwhile project but was surprized by the ongoing problems and the lack of information you now provided.

                    OK 6 years may seem like 9 some days and Seti was my benchmark for communication and problem resolution, which I considered less than ideal but acceptable. I guess this is a different world and I will be patient knowing that someone does give a damn and its not just the old mushroom farm.

                    Thanks again for taking the time to reply with useful information.


                    Jim,thanks for writing back. Hopefully, you will get the information you need. I read this forum every day, so I will see if I can help.

                    Are you getting WU\'s now?

                    I have my \"connect to network\" set at 1 day for BOINC and I am getting 6 SZTAKI WU\'s at a time.

                    Just remember sometimes problems arise because of BOINC and not SZTAKI. Oh,well, what would we do without computers? :-)

                    The WU\'s now are short compared to what they were in the beginning. The new process speeds up getting rid of those WU\'s containing data that is not useful to the project and therefore saves computer time to do positive work. [I think such a case is the one below taking 1.34 seconds.]
                    Mine are taking up to 29 minutes and many are taking less than that (9 or 10 minutes). Here are some of my most recent times in seconds, claimed credits, and granted credits:

                    1024.8 2.01 2.33
                    686.06 1.34 1.31
                    518.22 1.02 1.02
                    562.34 1.1 1.56
                    593.53 1.16 1.25
                    349.59 0.69 0.7
                    1.34 0 0
                    615.28 1.21 1.21
                    355.73 0.7 0.72
                    392.38 0.77 0.77
                    862.13 1.69 1.69
                    1528.98 3 4.22
                    844.66 1.66 1.66
                    1270.72 2.49 3.46
                    1370.47 2.69 2.85
                    1180.08 2.31 2.31
                    1718.98 3.37 3.37

                    Edited the columns for the numbers above because they were jammed together in the original post. Hope this works. Edit: opps! it did not. Sorry.
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                    Message 1345 - Posted 16 Dec 2005 0:05:44 UTC

                      Thanks for taking an interest, I am getting WUs sporadically but I am sure it will improve over time (got non for 12 hours at a time). I am connected 24/7 and see no place to \" \"connect to network\" set at 1 day\"\" however I am sure this not really MY problem as I am getting Seti and Einstein regularly. I should be able to process 10 or more a day if they were available (processed 1.09 or so in 24 hours).
                      Will let nature take its course.

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                      Message 1346 - Posted 16 Dec 2005 0:07:08 UTC - in response to Message 1343.

                        Jim,

                        I do appriciate your negative opinion. Well, it is true that the project is not always in it\'s best shape. I can now state that with the upgrade of the server (I think you\'ve just missed it with a few days) I\'ve managed to solve a lot of the problems. It\'s true that maybe this project evolves a little slover than the others, but I think it\'s on the right path.
                        Hopefully from now on, all is going to be much smoother and finally we can reach for that dreamy 500 GFlops and with a little help of yours we can easily get over it.

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