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Message 171 - Posted 15 Jul 2005 13:53:31 UTC

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    Probably a BOINC problem but I can't find an answer/solution for that:

    I receive something like 3 WU's to calculate, some time later they're done and uploaded again.
    So far all is fine - but then I'll not get any new WU's for hours (20-30h).
    Does someone know a reason for that?
    Everytime I klick on update I'll see in messages '2005-07-15 15:26:30|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Requesting 0 seconds of work, returning 0 results', and as written above I can do this without requesting any work for hours or days.
    I tried to increase and decrease the setting how often to connect but no change..

    Thanks, Bernhard.

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    Message 176 - Posted 15 Jul 2005 18:14:32 UTC

      You are running 4.45 or later. This means that SZTAKI has used more than the share of CPU time that you have set up, and will not be downloading work until other projects have caught up.
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      Message 186 - Posted 15 Jul 2005 22:44:26 UTC

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        right, 4.45 - tried 4.70 for some minutes but this behaviour was the same..

        I gave SZTAKI already more than 10x resource than others, some projects are manually suspended and the only left wu's are 1 or 2 from LHC, and 1 from climaprediction but this does have a year to finish.

        If I suspend projects will the resource share still be used for calculation?
        And if I give SZTAKI again more resource share it will download WU's?


        edit:
        I gave SZTAKI now about 40% of all 10 projects but still requesting 0 seconds of work.. but all other projects are idle or suspended :/
        Do I maybe run in a daily maximum of WU's? If so, would my BOINC client have a lot of unused time if I subscribe to only 1 project?

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        Message 188 - Posted 15 Jul 2005 23:04:11 UTC

          It's not directly due to your resource share. What John meant was that you ran SZTAKI for too long, so your Long Term Debt has lowered by so much it will not download from this project for a while. Other projects you are attached to will now get their fair share of the CPU time.

          <a href="http://boinc-doc.net/boinc-wiki/index.php?title=Work_Scheduler">Check here for how the new scheduler works</a>.
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          Message 189 - Posted 15 Jul 2005 23:08:03 UTC

            oh, just added something while your, ageless, info came..

            I'll go over this link - maybe then it's more clear for me, thanks!

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            Message 190 - Posted 15 Jul 2005 23:11:13 UTC

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              I saw what you added, but even then it doesn't matter. All the projects you have suspended, well, you can resume them, else you'll never get units again. ;)
              (When a project is supended, it's LTD stays the same as it was, especially when no other project is running!)

              In the mean time, if you have further questions don't be afraid to ask them. We're around to give some help and insight. :)
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              Message 233 - Posted 21 Jul 2005 20:37:30 UTC

                I walked through this wiki - up and down - I think it's a little bit more clear for me now.

                Thanks for hints and clues!

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                Message 234 - Posted 22 Jul 2005 2:38:22 UTC

                  &gt; I walked through this wiki - up and down - I think it's a little bit more clear for me now.

                  Yes. This wiki is an awesome effort.

                  @ <b>Attila Csaba Marosi</b>. <a href="http://boinc-doc.net/boinc-wiki/">BOINC Wiki</a> is worth a link from the mainpage.

                  Maybe the huns can get in touch with Paul D. Buck and offer input.


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                  Message 237 - Posted 22 Jul 2005 14:25:14 UTC

                    There is also a German BOINC FAQ. Just in case your understanding of German is better than your English. <a href="http://faq.boinc.de/index.php?title=Hauptseite">Bookmark this link</a>.
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                    Message 238 - Posted 22 Jul 2005 15:16:03 UTC

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                      &gt; There is also a German BOINC FAQ. Just in case your understanding of German is better than your English

                      Of course it is, as I'm from Austria ;)

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                      Message 255 - Posted 23 Jul 2005 19:30:27 UTC

                        I do understand that BOINC is now going to attempt to determine for me what work it is going to do, BUT that is NOT the way it should work. I AM the human and I want to be able to suspend whatever projects that I choose to suspend and crunch whatever projects, I want to crunch.

                        I do not want to be assimilated into the BORG by Boinc Client....
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                        Message 256 - Posted 23 Jul 2005 21:35:57 UTC

                          I don't see the problem?

                          <a href="http://boinc-doc.net/boinc-wiki/index.php?title=BOINC_Manager">Check out the cool buttons in the BOINC Manager</a>!

                          Suspend in the Projects tab.
                          Suspend in the Work tab.

                          So what is your problem exactly? If you were going against the work scheduler, that's a different kettle of fish.
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                          Message 259 - Posted 24 Jul 2005 1:38:37 UTC

                            The Problem is that I was having to do a manual UPDATE in order to get more work from Sztaki DG. I had several more projects Suspended. The solution was to detach from the other projects (which was exactly NOT what I wanted to do). I had used the Suspend in the Projects tab (for the projects that I chose to put on hold).

                            What good is the Suspend, IF the other active project won't give you more work or even automatically report work done? This was the part which I am a bit upset about. The non-reporting of what you have done and the non-automatic sending of more new work when you are out of work.

                            The Boinc Client is making the decision for me instead of letting me control what it to be done.
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                            Message 261 - Posted 24 Jul 2005 2:29:43 UTC

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                              May I ask which Boinc client you are using?
                              If it's any of the 4.7x versions, you kinda did it yourself, as it's Alpha versions that aren't stable yet. I know LHC and SZTAKI give me problems at times uploading units in 4.70, 4.71 and 4.72, whereas the reporting bug is there for every project, but that's been reported to the developers already.

                              So if you are using a 4.7x version, you now know what to do: just go back to 4.45 and it will automatically upload and report.
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                              Message 262 - Posted 24 Jul 2005 2:34:05 UTC

                                I'm using version 4.45
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                                Message 263 - Posted 24 Jul 2005 2:46:28 UTC

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                                  Ok. The best thing you can do then is send a report of this to the Boinc developers email listing.

                                  You only have to sign up once for this.
                                  <a href="http://www.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev">Sign up site</a>.

                                  Don't get me wrong, the devs of SZTAKI here ought to look into it as well, but maybe it's just a fault in Boinc.

                                  edit: If you're crunching Seti as well, you can also leave a report about this in <a href="http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=16736">this thread</a>. Whatever you find easier. :)
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                                  Message 264 - Posted 24 Jul 2005 3:08:14 UTC

                                    I have used 4.71, now 4.72, always 2 WUs are ready to send back to server, but will be automatically upload with getting new work, takes a little bit longer than in 4.45 but working fine here, I dont know if this is a bug because 4.19 also do the same.


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                                    Message 276 - Posted 25 Jul 2005 14:34:27 UTC

                                      | <i>Don't get me wrong, the devs of SZTAKI here ought to look into it as well, but maybe it's just a fault in Boinc</i>

                                      Will check it 'round...
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                                      Message 278 - Posted 25 Jul 2005 16:04:25 UTC

                                        Bug confirmed, if you are running WUs from a project and your setting is "getting no new work" all ready WUs are not sending back automatically, only if you get new work.

                                        Using 4.72
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                                        Message 280 - Posted 25 Jul 2005 23:21:30 UTC

                                          I do have boinc 4.45 set to allow New Work from the Sztaki DG project. But I may have had other projects both suspended and NOT to allow new work.

                                          So IF you have other projects set to NOT allow new work, is this what is affecting Sztaki DG project???
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                                          Message 299 - Posted 26 Jul 2005 20:18:57 UTC

                                            I'm glad i stumbled across this, this was affecting BURP for me. I had SETI@Home suspended but had forgot to take "no new work off" on one machine and it sat there looking clueless everytime i told it to update.
                                            Enabled work to be downloaded ( even though it's still suspended ) and it's working fine now.

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