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Message 2287 - Posted 21 Mar 2006 17:14:05 UTC

    The last WU I did was the third one returned. The first two got credit, I received 0 credits. The fourth is still to be returned - but I believe that one will also get 0 credits.

    This one: \"http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=419474\"

    Just too many 0\'s for the time used by my computer.

    Adam, please look into this problem. Others are having similar problems.

    I\'m putting this project on hold until I see that I can get credit.
    Thanks,
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    Message 2288 - Posted 21 Mar 2006 17:29:01 UTC - in response to Message 2287.

      The last WU I did was the third one returned. The first two got credit, I received 0 credits. The fourth is still to be returned - but I believe that one will also get 0 credits.

      This one: \"http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=419474\"

      Just too many 0\'s for the time used by my computer.

      Adam, please look into this problem. Others are having similar problems.

      I\'m putting this project on hold until I see that I can get credit.
      Thanks,
      Richard


      If you check your workunit, you will see that it was considered invalid when it went to validation.

      Validate state Invalid

      The reason for that is that is was restarted somewhere along the way.

      <core_client_version>4.45</core_client_version>
      <stderr_txt>
      Fraction init: input_size=89532 start_pos=60
      Kezdes 1. sortol.
      Fraction init: input_size=89532 start_pos=60
      Ujrainditas checkpointbol, 33 sort mar feldolgoztunk es 33 sort kiirtunk
      Kezdes 34. sortol.
      Input vege, 1000. sort dolgoztunk fel

      </stderr_txt>


      It seems that only workunits that go from beginning to end without interruption are being considered valid. This is the big problem with the checkpointing on this project and the cause of a lot of people to be getting 0 credits for long workunits. Anytime I have a workunit that has been interrupted now, I just abort the workunit because I know it will not get credit so why should I let it eat up computer time for no credit.
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      Message 2289 - Posted 21 Mar 2006 18:11:10 UTC

        Sziasztok!

        http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=414452

        Ez sokkal erdekesebb! Ket embernel is volt \"szakadas\", ezert a kredit jovairas meg mindig nem tortent meg. :)

        Lassan 1 hete figyelem ezt a csomagot mikor lesz valtozas...

        En mar 500 kredit felett jarok, amit emiatt nem kaptam meg.

        Legyetek jok, en megyek Toroko-ba! :D

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        Message 2293 - Posted 22 Mar 2006 8:40:42 UTC - in response to Message 2289.

          The credits for the invalid results has beeen granted manually.
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          Message 2321 - Posted 25 Mar 2006 16:43:53 UTC

            More invalid WU\'s with 0 credit.
            I have 5 pending WU\'s that will get 0 credit.
            This is because they were interupted ( I turn the computer off at night).
            I thought I may be able to prevent this by suspending the project before I turned off the computer. This is not the case.

            I hope we have checkpoints soon to stop this from happening.

            I would like the WU\'s to run about 2 to 2.5 hours instead of the 4 hours it is taking now. This may help in getting the WU\'s done before I turn off the computer.

            Adam: I believe you have given credit for invalid results before (see previous message below from Adam). Thank you for those credits.

            Thanks,
            Richard
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            Message 2341 - Posted 27 Mar 2006 0:41:37 UTC

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              Ehm, i see some wus with initial replication 5 or 6 (\"usually\" 4)
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              Message 2351 - Posted 27 Mar 2006 10:21:38 UTC - in response to Message 2321.

                Richard,

                I grant the claimed credits for the invalid WUs once every week. Usually, at the end. So don\'t worry...credits are not lost
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                Message 2354 - Posted 27 Mar 2006 16:11:02 UTC - in response to Message 2321.

                  [...]
                  I would like the WU\'s to run about 2 to 2.5 hours instead of the 4 hours it is taking now. This may help in getting the WU\'s done before I turn off the computer.

                  [...]


                  I don\'t think it\'s only about you turning off your PC but the current \"bug\" in Boinc with:

                  27.03.2006 09:29:46|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Result \"ID\" exited with zero status but no \'finished\' file


                  So, new cruncher for SZTAKI, 2 reported results, no credits because invalid.
                  If this goes on I will power up my other Projects and wait... no need to waste CPU-Time if it doesnt help anyone. (It\'s not about the credits, I just think its a waste of CPU-Time)


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                  Message 2405 - Posted 6 Apr 2006 20:22:41 UTC

                    i also have 3 w/u with 0 granted credits
                    strange thing is that they have clamed less credit than larger w/u that have been granted
                    i.e cpu time 4008.91 granted http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=460628
                    cpu time 2059.40 not granted http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=450767
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                    Message 2406 - Posted 6 Apr 2006 22:40:06 UTC - in response to Message 2405.

                      i also have 3 w/u with 0 granted credits
                      strange thing is that they have clamed less credit than larger w/u that have been granted
                      i.e cpu time 4008.91 granted http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=460628
                      cpu time 2059.40 not granted http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=450767


                      because you have restarted the processing of wu 450767

                      <core_client_version>5.2.13</core_client_version>
                      <stderr_txt>
                      Fraction init: input_size=17578 start_pos=60
                      Starting from line 1.
                      Fraction init: input_size=17578 start_pos=60
                      Restarting from checkpoint, # of lines processed so far 136, # of output lines so far 136.
                      Starting from line 137.
                      End of input, Number of processed lines200
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                      Message 2407 - Posted 7 Apr 2006 7:36:46 UTC

                        oh ok
                        i may have to suspend this project(no new work) a day before if i know i have to turn the pc off
                        i run 13 projects so it is not always possable to finish a w/u before it gets shutdown
                        the only other option is to run it for one compleat day only (suspend all other projects )like i do with uflids (but there w/u just restart from scratch )
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                        Message 2423 - Posted 11 Apr 2006 22:18:39 UTC - in response to Message 2407.

                          I\'ve granted the credits for you, guys and as the new algorithm is still in the factory, I\'ll try to figure out a solution for the problem.
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                          Message 5288 - Posted 24 Dec 2006 8:36:44 UTC

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                            I can work on a project with no checkpointing - thats not a problem to me.

                            I can work on a project with long WUs - thats not a problem either.

                            But I cannot work on a project where there is very little or no feedback and response at all from the people who run the project..........

                            I have posted before and been reassured (NOT by admins!) that I will eventually get credit for this WU.

                            http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=14715



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                            Message 5311 - Posted 26 Dec 2006 19:54:02 UTC

                              There is a big difference in the credit for AMD and Intel, for instance: http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/results.php?userid=2293

                              This doesn\'t seem fair to me, because for 20 hours of work I only get 1 point.
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                              Message 5314 - Posted 26 Dec 2006 23:29:15 UTC - in response to Message 5311.

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                                There is a big difference in the credit for AMD and Intel, for instance: http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/results.php?userid=2293

                                This doesn\'t seem fair to me, because for 20 hours of work I only get 1 point.

                                And where did you get 1 credit ? i see 2 wus pending so presently, at the best, you\'re claiming credits.
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                                Message 5324 - Posted 27 Dec 2006 16:41:50 UTC

                                  Last time I tried this project the wu\'s were pending for almost 3 months. Then the difference with the other persons were about the same.
                                  About 2000 claimed credit resulted in 17 points then. I like this project, but with such a low reward it takes the fun away.
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                                  Message 5327 - Posted 28 Dec 2006 22:23:55 UTC - in response to Message 2351.

                                    I grant the claimed credits for the invalid WUs once every week. Usually, at the end. So don\'t worry...credits are not lost


                                    I\'ve got some from November still listed as pending. Could you look at them?

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                                    Message 5332 - Posted 29 Dec 2006 13:57:05 UTC - in response to Message 5327.

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                                      I grant the claimed credits for the invalid WUs once every week. Usually, at the end. So don\'t worry...credits are not lost


                                      I\'ve got some from November still listed as pending. Could you look at them?

                                      AdvTHANKSance

                                      And even sept. and oct.
                                      The wus are listed as pending because they are waiting for the quorum.

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                                      Message 5343 - Posted 30 Dec 2006 0:25:23 UTC - in response to Message 5332.

                                        I grant the claimed credits for the invalid WUs once every week. Usually, at the end. So don\'t worry...credits are not lost


                                        I\'ve got some from November still listed as pending. Could you look at them?

                                        AdvTHANKSance

                                        And even sept. and oct.
                                        The wus are listed as pending because they are waiting for the quorum.


                                        I\'ve got a WU (20997) awaiting a quorum even though there are four or five pending results. That doesn\'t bode well for the WU finding a meaningful solution.

                                        There are also some WUs (32408, 59041, 59054) that haven\'t reached a quorum, but neither have they had another copy assigned to a computer.

                                        There are others but harder to find in a list of 40 outstanding, compared with 9 for the Mac machine.

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                                        Message 5365 - Posted 1 Jan 2007 8:18:22 UTC - in response to Message 5343.


                                          I\'ve got a WU (20997) awaiting a quorum even though there are four or five pending results. That doesn\'t bode well for the WU finding a meaningful solution.


                                          Looking through the various results of that WU, one of the anonymously owned computers (your comps are hidden) has one of those pesky empty outputs (the other one was aborted so I\'m assuming it isn\'t yours). Out of the other finished results, only one actually finished without getting an empty output. Empty outputs are no good and won\'t agree with any other result so the WU cannot get validated, hence the no credit yet. Empty output is common among single-line WUs.
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                                          Message 5377 - Posted 2 Jan 2007 0:58:10 UTC - in response to Message 5365.


                                            I\'ve got a WU (20997) awaiting a quorum even though there are four or five pending results. That doesn\'t bode well for the WU finding a meaningful solution.


                                            Looking through the various results of that WU, one of the anonymously owned computers (your comps are hidden)


                                            Sorry about that. They are visible now, but of course, the IP addresses are Private Network Addresses.

                                            has one of those pesky empty outputs (the other one was aborted so I\'m assuming it isn\'t yours). Out of the other finished results, only one actually finished without getting an empty output. Empty outputs are no good and won\'t agree with any other result so the WU cannot get validated, hence the no credit yet. Empty output is common among single-line WUs.


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                                            Message 5378 - Posted 2 Jan 2007 12:29:20 UTC - in response to Message 5377.

                                              Sorry about that. They are visible now, but of course, the IP addresses are Private Network Addresses.

                                              Nobody but you can see most of that information, anyway. Have a look at my computers through the link at the left to get an idea of what non-owners of unhidden systems can see: hosts’ network names & addresses remain private regardless, along with some of the usage & efficiency stats.
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                                              Message 5399 - Posted 6 Jan 2007 14:58:41 UTC

                                                I have some pending credits from October. Some with three results pending on each WU and also an inavalid result of 274,896.89 seconds for which I lost all credits.

                                                I have not been cruching here as I had too many problems before. I may try a few WUs again to see how it works out. Like they say, \'a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush\' and apart from the research value of projects, crunchers also need some recognition for spending time and money to help research.

                                                I think it will simplify things a whole lot for all projects, if all projects will only grant credits using the same system.
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                                                Message 5403 - Posted 7 Jan 2007 1:23:44 UTC - in response to Message 5378.

                                                  Sorry about that. They are visible now, but of course, the IP addresses are Private Network Addresses.

                                                  Nobody but you can see most of that information, anyway. Have a look at my computers through the link at the left to get an idea of what non-owners of unhidden systems can see: hosts’ network names & addresses remain private regardless, along with some of the usage & efficiency stats.


                                                  Agreed. Hiding hosts are not really needed. Only reason I can see to hide them is if you\'re either trying to hide the CC you\'re using, or someone from the company sees your name/handle and sees that you have dozens of unauthorized PCs running BOINC.

                                                  The former reason is up to the Project Admin if you run an \"optomized client\", and the latter is against BOINC rules.
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                                                  Message 5412 - Posted 7 Jan 2007 23:39:06 UTC - in response to Message 5403.

                                                    Sorry about that. They are visible now, but of course, the IP addresses are Private Network Addresses.

                                                    Nobody but you can see most of that information, anyway. Have a look at my computers through the link at the left to get an idea of what non-owners of unhidden systems can see: hosts’ network names & addresses remain private regardless, along with some of the usage & efficiency stats.


                                                    Agreed. Hiding hosts are not really needed. Only reason I can see to hide them is if you\'re either trying to hide the CC you\'re using, or someone from the company sees your name/handle and sees that you have dozens of unauthorized PCs running BOINC.

                                                    The former reason is up to the Project Admin if you run an \"optomized client\", and the latter is against BOINC rules.


                                                    I have no problem with either, but I try to minimise my exposure to SPAM or PHISHING, or other noxious Web predations and it is easier to just not tick rather than analyse the results of ticking a box.

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