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Message 3019 - Posted 16 Jun 2006 3:39:49 UTC

    could someone explain a basic background of what this project is actually about?

    after crunching for several months it occoured to me that i\'m still unclear what exactly it is that i\'m crunching for lol

    what\'s a number system? (in general terms)
    what\'s a \"dimension\" (in relation to \"number systems\")

    maths isn\'t my best subject, so i don\'t understand the mathematical explanation

    what i\'m after is a (sort of) detailed summary regarding the projects aims, and what the application is actually doing, how the results will be beneficial etc.
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    Message 3022 - Posted 16 Jun 2006 7:47:42 UTC - in response to Message 3019.

      could someone explain a basic background of what this project is actually about?

      after crunching for several months it occoured to me that i\'m still unclear what exactly it is that i\'m crunching for lol

      Have you read this introductory article, from the upper-right panel of the home page? I don\'t understand it entirely myself--I was never any good at linear algebra--but the first part gives a pretty good description of the premise.

      As for the benefits, it\'s very hard to say: applications of discoveries in pure mathematics can take a long time to be found. For example non-Euclidean geometry was regarded as a fanciful curiosity for the better part of a century, before making the underpinnings of the general theory of relativity. Here I imagine the most likely applications would be in information theory, cryptography, and the like, but I believe that even without any such the research has value in revealing something about how the universe is put together--despite the abstract nature of the \'material\' it\'s investigating.
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      Message 3031 - Posted 16 Jun 2006 16:20:03 UTC - in response to Message 3022.

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        As for the benefits, it\'s very hard to say: applications of discoveries in pure mathematics can take a long time to be found. For example non-Euclidean geometry was regarded as a fanciful curiosity for the better part of a century, before making the underpinnings of the general theory of relativity. Here I imagine the most likely applications would be in information theory, cryptography, and the like, but I believe that even without any such the research has value in revealing something about how the universe is put together--despite the abstract nature of the \'material\' it\'s investigating.

        that makes sense, and sounds reasonable
        so it just happens that a use hasn\'t been discovered yet, but this research is investigating some fundamental principals.
        in my opinion pure research is the most beneficial, so I fully support it :)

        an example I can think of is binary, obviously someone had to think up the idea of a number system where each digit only has 2 values, but as we all know, the use of that has done wonders (such as creating the whole computing industry), and not only for computing, also providing stable communications (digital being less error prone than analogue)

        I\'m not asking for justification as such (I\'ll carry on crunching either way)
        I just wondered if it was pure research, or if the purpose/goal was already know
        (like with Rosetta: wanting to cure/prevent disease, although protein research is useful for many other things too)

        thanks for the explanation :)

        could someone explain a basic background of what this project is actually about?

        after crunching for several months it occured to me that I\'m still unclear what exactly it is that I\'m crunching for lol

        Have you read this introductory article, from the upper-right panel of the home page? I don\'t understand it entirely myself--I was never any good at linear algebra--but the first part gives a pretty good description of the premise.

        I did when the project first started, but it\'s very hard to follow, it jumps straight into technical explanations, which are difficult to understand for someone who isn\'t mathematically minded

        an example of what I\'m after is if I asked this at Rosetta, I don\'t need to know about the intricacies of protein folding to understand what the project is doing, or what a protein is, or the basics of why it\'s so difficult (lots of possibilities), I\'m after background more than anything
        sort of what this project is researching, rather than how it\'s going about performing that research

        the \"introduction\" article doesn\'t explain what \"generalised binary number systems\" are (or what they\'re used for), or anything about \"dimensions\" in this context
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        Message 3046 - Posted 17 Jun 2006 0:22:46 UTC - in response to Message 3031.

          the \"introduction\" article doesn\'t explain what \"generalised binary number systems\" are (or what they\'re used for), or anything about \"dimensions\" in this context

          I guess the authors expect the formulas to communicate more than they actually do to most readers. There\'s supposedly a rule in book publishing that says the audience is halved for every formula in a book ... Anyway AIUI the idea is that the matrices being considered \"generalized numbers\" are made up of vectors instead of ordinary digits, but they still have properties analagous to those of the numbers we\'re used to in that they can be added, multiplied, raised to powers and so on, albeit requiring special definitions of such operations in this context. A vector is essentially an ordered list of numbers, in this case comprising just zeroes and ones (the \"binary\" part); the number of dimensions corresponds to the number of elements in the list. You may be familiar with Cartesian coordinates, where each point in a two-dimensional space is uniquely specified by an ordered pair (x,y); an ordered triple (x,y,z) can identify points in 3-D space, and so on.
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          Message 3064 - Posted 18 Jun 2006 3:32:55 UTC - in response to Message 3046.

            thanks, that at least gives me something to go on :)
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