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Message 3260 - Posted 29 Jun 2006 1:06:47 UTC

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    Platform - Current version
    Linux/x86 : 1.13
    Windows/x86 : 1.14

    New algorithm with heavy compiler optimization.

    Deadline : 3 days

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    2006. june. 28.
    The new algorithm utilizes heavy compiler optimization, code-level optimization is coming in a week.

    2006. june. 29.
    After checking the current short WUs, new longer WUs will be released tomorrow.
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    Message 3261 - Posted 29 Jun 2006 1:24:48 UTC

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      First feeling : pretty fast !
      (or the wus are short)

      @Adam,
      When the Mac and Sun versions will be realized, it will be perhaps interesting to increase the size of the wus (if possible).


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      Message 3262 - Posted 29 Jun 2006 1:40:30 UTC - in response to Message 3261.

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        First feeling : pretty fast !
        (or the wus are short)


        i agree with you very fast indeed..
        taking me 1 to 3 mins per wu..

        thank goodness for broardband...lol

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        Message 3265 - Posted 29 Jun 2006 3:46:12 UTC

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          My Linux Redhat EL are all erroring

          <core_client_version>5.4.9</core_client_version>
          <message>
          process exited with code 127 (0x7f)
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          <stderr_txt>
          search_1.13_i686-pc-linux-gnu: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

          </stderr_txt>

          Link to WU


          Note, My windows machines are working great. My only issue would be the WU\'s are too quick :-)
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          Message 3266 - Posted 29 Jun 2006 6:58:23 UTC

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            When we try to get more wus, we get the famous message \"no work sent, there was work but it was commited to other platforms\".

            edit : though i have an idea about

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            Message 3268 - Posted 29 Jun 2006 8:30:52 UTC

              How i can manually go from version 1.13 to 1.14 on Windows platform. I guess that I must put into project directory file app_info.xml and edit client_state.xml. I\'m not sure, what must be in app_info.xml can anybody help me? Thx
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              Message 3269 - Posted 29 Jun 2006 9:02:46 UTC

                2006.06.29. 10:05:42|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: (won\'t finish in time) Computer on -18.6% of time, BOINC on -21.7% of that, this project gets 100.0% of that

                please help! i don\'t understand why i get this message...
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                Message 3270 - Posted 29 Jun 2006 9:22:41 UTC - in response to Message 3269.

                  2006.06.29. 10:05:42|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: (won\'t finish in time) Computer on -18.6% of time, BOINC on -21.7% of that, this project gets 100.0% of that

                  please help! i don\'t understand why i get this message...

                  Estimated crunchtime sent by the server is > 1-2 hours, deadline 2 days.
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                  Message 3271 - Posted 29 Jun 2006 9:26:38 UTC

                    All of a sudden I got the new 1.14 app and 29 WU\'s! What splendid speed!
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                    Message 3272 - Posted 29 Jun 2006 9:30:59 UTC

                      No need for a manual update, when you receive a 1.14 WU, you will receive a 1.14 client that can handle it.

                      To all who had optimized clients :

                      Before you re-enable work fetch, disable calibrating and reset the project. The duration_correction_factor is way off from hyperspeed crunching and you might download way too much caused by wrong estimated duration.

                      Time is somewhere at 8 - 10 minutes on P4/2600 and PM/1600 now but the deadline is short, so be careful with large caches!

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                      Message 3273 - Posted 29 Jun 2006 13:25:53 UTC

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                        I\'ve been paired with a couple BOINCStudio crunchers for some of my work. Here is the worst offender... http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=3206

                        Notice that my PC requested only 0.77 credit, but was granted 24.46!!
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                        Message 3274 - Posted 29 Jun 2006 15:43:51 UTC - in response to Message 3266.

                          When we try to get more wus, we get the famous message \"no work sent, there was work but it was commited to other platforms\".

                          edit : though i have an idea about


                          I can now predict that I will not get any WU\'s - a continuation of the problem that I had before. So now I will only get the message \"no work sent, there was work but it was commited to other platforms\" from this project.

                          Last time I watched the recycling of the WU\'s between people that downloaded too many and could not process them in the time limit. It was around 30,000 for a long time then finally got down to 4000 at the end before Adam deleted those 4000.

                          Right now it is around 30,000 being processed. With a little search, one can find computers that have a large amount of them. And with the 2 day deadline and a short run time, I see that the process of recycling will be the norm.

                          I suggest that no more WU\'s be created until those 30,000 get processed.

                          I do not believe I\'m the only one getting the message \"no work sent, there was work but it was commited to other platforms\".

                          I really would like to crunch for this project (one of my two favorites) as I have for a long time.

                          Adam, do you have any suggestions for how I can do this?

                          Thanks,
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                          Message 3275 - Posted 29 Jun 2006 16:03:31 UTC - in response to Message 3273.

                            I\'ve been paired with a couple BOINCStudio crunchers for some of my work. Here is the worst offender...



                            I returned 4 results too before I recognized that the calibrating was still in effect - sorry about that :-/

                            I hope my co-crunchers on those WUs will correct that, currently they are still pending.

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                            Message 3276 - Posted 29 Jun 2006 16:14:35 UTC

                              Theres 4 WU\'s pending in my account right now that have people who are claiming anywhere between 12 and 25 credits. They are still pending, though.

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                              Message 3277 - Posted 29 Jun 2006 16:16:57 UTC - in response to Message 3275.

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                                I returned 4 results too before I recognized that the calibrating was still in effect - sorry about that :-/

                                I think the real problem with all \"calibrating\" clients is, that they AFAIK don\'t calibrate to equal the other partcipants, but to equal what the server estimated. This seems to be way too much here - even new hosts with a correction factor of 1.0 are told, that the WU will need 2 hours, when the crunchtime is more in the order of 5 minutes.

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                                Message 3278 - Posted 29 Jun 2006 16:27:31 UTC

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                                  The Trux client does include the time correction factor somehow - but for some reason it never claimed exceptionally much. Here and at Einstein it often was in the middle of the 3 results and didn\'t bail out.

                                  That\'s probably the reason why some people prefer different calibrating clients for projects like QAH and Rosetta :-/

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                                  Message 3279 - Posted 29 Jun 2006 17:12:49 UTC - in response to Message 3274.

                                    When we try to get more wus, we get the famous message \"no work sent, there was work but it was commited to other platforms\".

                                    I do not believe I\'m the only one getting the message \"no work sent, there was work but it was commited to other platforms\".

                                    Of course not: the message of Nightbird\'s to which you\'re replying is already evidence that there exists at least one other!
                                    Thu Jun 29 10:06:30 2006|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: No work sent Thu Jun 29 10:06:30 2006|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: (there was work for other platforms) Thu Jun 29 10:06:30 2006|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|No work from project

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                                    Message 3281 - Posted 29 Jun 2006 20:26:10 UTC - in response to Message 3274.

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                                      When we try to get more wus, we get the famous message \"no work sent, there was work but it was commited to other platforms\".

                                      edit : though i have an idea about


                                      I can now predict that I will not get any WU\'s - a continuation of the problem that I had before. So now I will only get the message \"no work sent, there was work but it was commited to other platforms\" from this project.

                                      Last time I watched the recycling of the WU\'s between people that downloaded too many and could not process them in the time limit. It was around 30,000 for a long time then finally got down to 4000 at the end before Adam deleted those 4000.

                                      Right now it is around 30,000 being processed. With a little search, one can find computers that have a large amount of them. And with the 2 day deadline and a short run time, I see that the process of recycling will be the norm.

                                      I suggest that no more WU\'s be created until those 30,000 get processed.

                                      I do not believe I\'m the only one getting the message \"no work sent, there was work but it was commited to other platforms\".

                                      I really would like to crunch for this project (one of my two favorites) as I have for a long time.

                                      Adam, do you have any suggestions for how I can do this?

                                      Thanks,
                                      Richard

                                      I sent an email to Adam.
                                      I saw the Web site running and Scheduler Assimilator, WU generator, Feeder, File deleter, Transitioner, Validator stopped.

                                      edit :
                                      With longer wus coming, i don\'t think that the wu generator will be enabled again before tomorrow.

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                                      Message 3282 - Posted 29 Jun 2006 21:34:37 UTC

                                        Three questions:

                                        1. Should I change my SZTAKI parameters to request more than 1 day of WUs? I am new to SZTAKI and none of my other BOINC applications have problems supplying WUs on a daily basis. Is this just temporary? I got enough WUs yesterday for about 1 hour of Akosfing.

                                        2. How is SZTAKI pronounced?

                                        3. What does SZTAKI mean? Is it a person\'s name?
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                                        Message 3283 - Posted 29 Jun 2006 22:11:54 UTC - in response to Message 3282.

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                                          Three questions:

                                          1. Should I change my SZTAKI parameters to request more than 1 day of WUs? I am new to SZTAKI and none of my other BOINC applications have problems supplying WUs on a daily basis. Is this just temporary? I got enough WUs yesterday for about 1 hour of Akosfing.

                                          2. How is SZTAKI pronounced?

                                          3. What does SZTAKI mean? Is it a person\'s name?


                                          I would say :
                                          1. I\'m running with a \"Connect to network about every 1.0 day\" (but i have also others projects running on my machines)
                                          I don\'t forgot also the short deadline and since i read in the news (29 june) that new longer WUs will be released tomorrow, so i\'m careful with \"big\" caches.
                                          Problems with supplying wus is temporary.

                                          2. I don\'t know ;) \"oops\"

                                          3. Look here, please
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                                          Message 3284 - Posted 29 Jun 2006 22:45:34 UTC - in response to Message 3283.

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                                            3. What does SZTAKI mean? Is it a person\'s name?


                                            3. Look here, please
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                                            It says that

                                            Sz??m?­t??stechnikai ?Šs Automatiz??l??si Kutat?? Int?Šzet = SZTAKI

                                            SZTAKI is the Hungarian acronym for \"The Computer and Automation Research Institute\"

                                            Thanks!

                                            Now all I need is how to pronounce it.

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                                            Message 3285 - Posted 29 Jun 2006 22:52:19 UTC

                                              I guess, if it was English, it would be spelled like \"Shtucky\"

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                                              Message 3286 - Posted 29 Jun 2006 22:52:32 UTC - in response to Message 3284.

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                                                3. What does SZTAKI mean? Is it a person\'s name?


                                                3. Look here, please
                                                hu
                                                en
                                                (very interesting web site)


                                                It says that

                                                Sz??m?­t??stechnikai ?Šs Automatiz??l??si Kutat?? Int?Šzet = SZTAKI

                                                SZTAKI is the Hungarian acronym for \"The Computer and Automation Research Institute\"

                                                Thanks!

                                                Now all I need is how to pronounce it.


                                                Számítástechnikai és Automatizálási Kutató Intézet = SZTAKI

                                                SZTAKI is the Hungarian acronym for \"The Computer and Automation Research Institute\"


                                                2.How is SZTAKI pronounced ? Adam of course will know. ;)

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                                                Message 3288 - Posted 29 Jun 2006 23:03:55 UTC - in response to Message 3282.

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                                                  2. How is SZTAKI pronounced?


                                                  According to Hungarian Pronunciation in Everything.com:
                                                  http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1499967

                                                  ----
                                                  Please note that Magyar words are pronounced, basically, completely phonetically....Hungarian words are pronounced with stress on the first syllable...

                                                  sz [s]: As in \"say.\" That\'s right, the only way to get rid of that built-in h is to use a z to cancel it out! So, to clarify, Magyar \"s\" == English \"sh,\" Magyar \"sz\" == English \"s.\"

                                                  t [t]: As in \"tie.\" Same as in English.

                                                  a [a]: as in \"cot.\" The vowel in \"caught\" may be more accurate, although it\'s a subtle difference even if you pronounce the two differently at all. This is a difficult sound to get used to; in English, the letter \"a\" is generally pronounced much farther forward than in Magyar. I tend to think of it almost as an \"aw\" sound.

                                                  k [k]: As in \"kick.\" Nothing new here.

                                                  i [i]: As in \"sit.\" Same as English, but always short.
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                                                  So my guess is that SZTAKI is pronounced \"stawki\" in English?

                                                  I await the opinion of a real expert.

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                                                  Message 3289 - Posted 29 Jun 2006 23:24:16 UTC

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                                                    An important part should be mentioned : one does not put it on Gyros and it isn\'t made of cucumbers, garlic and white cream cheese :-)

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                                                    Message 3291 - Posted 29 Jun 2006 23:29:51 UTC

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                                                      Now that I am an instant expert :), I will try pronouncing AKOS.

                                                      According to Hungarian Pronunciation at
                                                      http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1499967

                                                      -----

                                                      Please note that Magyar words are pronounced, basically, completely phonetically....Hungarian words are pronounced with stress on the first syllable...

                                                      a [a]: as in \"cot.\" The vowel in \"caught\" may be more accurate, although it\'s a subtle difference even if you pronounce the two differently at all. This is a difficult sound to get used to; in English, the letter \"a\" is generally pronounced much farther forward than in Magyar. I tend to think of it almost as an \"aw\" sound.

                                                      k [k]: As in \"kick.\" Nothing new here.

                                                      o [?]: As in \"tall,\" but shorter; imagine pronouncing the word \"tal,\" since the double consonant l is (probably) what causes you to lengthen the vowel. The French \"pomme\" contains a more precise representation of this vowel, if that helps.

                                                      s [?]: As in \"short.\" That\'s right, the Hungarian s comes with a built-in h. If it helps, you can consider the English word \"sugar\" instead.

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                                                      So my guess is that AKOS is pronounced \"Awkash\" in English?

                                                      I await the opinion of a real expert.
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                                                      Message 3293 - Posted 30 Jun 2006 0:34:00 UTC

                                                        Hmmm ... I\'m quite surprised about the \"A\" ... a good VR friend of mine has the name \"Andras\", I knew that \"sh\" thing at the end but I always assumed the two \"A\" would be like the A-like vowel in \"sun\" or \"son\"

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                                                        Message 3299 - Posted 30 Jun 2006 14:47:47 UTC - in response to Message 3279.


                                                          Thu Jun 29 10:06:30 2006|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|No work from project


                                                          I get the same message.
                                                          Does this mean that Sztaki Desktop Grid has finished?
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                                                          Message 3301 - Posted 30 Jun 2006 16:15:54 UTC - in response to Message 3299.


                                                            Thu Jun 29 10:06:30 2006|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|No work from project


                                                            The news on the front page says new longer work units should be available today.

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                                                            Message 3302 - Posted 30 Jun 2006 16:33:09 UTC - in response to Message 3301.

                                                              The news on the front page says new longer work units should be available today.

                                                              Er... No it doesn\'t - not quite! To most people yesterday\'s tomorrow means today but somehow the Hungarian word which is translated into English as \"tomorrow\" seems to mean something a little less definite. Today may have been the intention but we are dealing with alternate dimensions here!
                                                              Be patient - I\'m sure everything will be sorted \"soon\". The project workers have gone through a horrid time and are trying to complete several month\'s work in a few days.
                                                              In the meantime, there are lots of other projects you can lend your computer to.
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                                                              Message 3303 - Posted 30 Jun 2006 16:55:11 UTC - in response to Message 3302.


                                                                In the meantime, there are lots of other projects you can lend your computer to.


                                                                Understood.

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                                                                Message 3304 - Posted 30 Jun 2006 19:49:26 UTC

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                                                                  There has been a series of new WUs but the extreme <duration_correction_factor> which came from the optimisation speedup might have made several boxes download way more than they could handle.

                                                                  So I guess, WU delivery has been stopped to give everyone the time to fix the <duration_correction_factor>.

                                                                  @Adam : Maybe it would be a good idea to set a really small daily quota for a few days, like 25 or so. Even with faked CPUs no one would download more than 100, which would give the BOINC client the time to adjust that factor.

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                                                                  Message 3305 - Posted 30 Jun 2006 21:46:00 UTC

                                                                    With the real short WU\'s this project has had dues any one care to venture a guess on how long the new longer work units might be?
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                                                                    Message 3306 - Posted 30 Jun 2006 22:56:28 UTC

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                                                                      I had a few, times vary a bit (in seconds) :

                                                                      471 - 910 on PM1600 (Banias)
                                                                      422 - 841 on P4/2600 (FSB100)

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                                                                      Message 3307 - Posted 30 Jun 2006 23:24:45 UTC - in response to Message 3306.

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                                                                        I had a few, times vary a bit (in seconds) :

                                                                        471 - 910 on PM1600 (Banias)
                                                                        422 - 841 on P4/2600 (FSB100)


                                                                        Oh, I thought that the 29 units that I got on 29 June were still the shoer ones. Thank you for clearing that up. I just started this program so I did not know. What times did your P4 get on the shoet ones?

                                                                        My P4/2.4 Gig did them in times from 502 to 861 seconds, for these long ones.
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                                                                        Message 3310 - Posted 1 Jul 2006 5:28:01 UTC

                                                                          Those that are still on your list should all be new. Adam removed all old WUs from the database before he started the new ones on 28th.

                                                                          The times on most my boxes for the old WUs have been between 1:00 and 2:00, the PIIIs needed a little longer.

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                                                                          Message 3311 - Posted 1 Jul 2006 16:05:20 UTC - in response to Message 3275.

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                                                                            I\'ve been paired with a couple BOINCStudio crunchers for some of my work. Here is the worst offender...



                                                                            I returned 4 results too before I recognized that the calibrating was still in effect - sorry about that :-/

                                                                            I hope my co-crunchers on those WUs will correct that, currently they are still pending.

                                                                            I hope also that others people who are using a client/utility which is inflating the credit claimed because its credit correction is enabled will disable soon this mechanism.
                                                                            Unfair when you see that a wu crunched in 200 sec. is claiming more 10 credits.
                                                                            The quorum can correct that since the hightest value claimed is removed but it\'s not \"perfect\".

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                                                                            Message 3316 - Posted 2 Jul 2006 20:41:05 UTC

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                                                                              looking at the data base status page it now reads 18/49 this time yesterday it was 18/606.
                                                                              so as soon as these 49 get sorted the sooner we shall have new work again.

                                                                              lets hope its soon.

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                                                                              Message 3318 - Posted 2 Jul 2006 21:22:48 UTC - in response to Message 3316.

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                                                                                looking at the data base status page it now reads 18/49 this time yesterday it was 18/606.
                                                                                so as soon as these 49 get sorted the sooner we shall have new work again.

                                                                                lets hope its soon.

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                                                                                Me too, i keep an eye on the server status. ;)
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                                                                                Message 3321 - Posted 3 Jul 2006 7:35:19 UTC

                                                                                  well its now 16/14 coming down nicely..
                                                                                  IF it keeps falling like this we might just end up with some work this week :>)

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                                                                                  Message 3322 - Posted 3 Jul 2006 12:57:21 UTC - in response to Message 3321.

                                                                                    well its now 16/14 coming down nicely..
                                                                                    IF it keeps falling like this we might just end up with some work this week :>)

                                                                                    cheers

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                                                                                    the database status is now at an all time low....1/3
                                                                                    thats such a nice thing to see...

                                                                                    more work on its way soon i hope..

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                                                                                    Message 3323 - Posted 3 Jul 2006 14:53:29 UTC

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                                                                                      The numbers are now stuck at 1/2. I don\'t know what\'s taking so long. Surely these work units are crunched faster than this?
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                                                                                      Message 3324 - Posted 3 Jul 2006 15:01:18 UTC - in response to Message 3323.

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                                                                                        The numbers are now stuck at 1/2. I don\'t know what\'s taking so long. Surely these work units are crunched faster than this?


                                                                                        i think some Pc\'s are still run by clock work...

                                                                                        well at least they are moving be it on the slow side...

                                                                                        lets see what the next few hours bring...

                                                                                        and NO news for almost five days :( just like mushrooms being kept in the dark


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                                                                                        Message 3325 - Posted 3 Jul 2006 15:45:01 UTC - in response to Message 3324.

                                                                                          i think some Pc\'s are still run by clock work...


                                                                                          ...or are steam-powered!

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                                                                                          Message 3326 - Posted 3 Jul 2006 16:18:09 UTC

                                                                                            Come over to Einstein@home there is plenty of work for your computing-cluster to do. No need to wait for some units to crunch.









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                                                                                            Message 3327 - Posted 3 Jul 2006 16:33:13 UTC

                                                                                              Einstein is great, and so are LHC and Rosetta, and...

                                                                                              Computing-cluster? I know two machines are listed, but the old P2 has gone to afterlife, I\'m afraid...
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                                                                                              Message 3330 - Posted 3 Jul 2006 17:15:11 UTC - in response to Message 3329.

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                                                                                                Sorry, for the silence lately, but I\'ve discovered a bug in the algorithm which the mathematicians missed and it caused the program to missbehave in some situations (and it also made me to think that we won\'t be able to launch...big headaches). We\'ve managed to correct it so tomorrow I\'ll flod you with work.

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                                                                                                Message 3332 - Posted 3 Jul 2006 19:54:16 UTC - in response to Message 3326.

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                                                                                                  Come over to Einstein@home there is plenty of work for your computing-cluster to do. No need to wait for some units to crunch.

                                                                                                  I\'m running 13 projects including Einstein so when a project is out of work, i have always wus.
                                                                                                  But be sure that i would like to get wus for Sztaki. ! ;)
                                                                                                  Patience, patience ... \"grin\"

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                                                                                                  Message 3333 - Posted 3 Jul 2006 21:48:30 UTC - in response to Message 3330.

                                                                                                    Sorry, for the silence lately, but I\'ve discovered a bug in the algorithm which the mathematicians missed and it caused the program to missbehave in some situations (and it also made me to think that we won\'t be able to launch...big headaches). We\'ve managed to correct it so tomorrow I\'ll flod you with work.

                                                                                                    Thank you for the update, we all will be waiting for the flod of work. But other projects will happely the systems busy till then.
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                                                                                                      New application 2.0 for Linux/x86, Windows/x86, Macintosh OS/X is coming.

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                                                                                                      Message 8187 - Posted 18 Feb 2012 16:10:21 UTC - in response to Message 3288.


                                                                                                        2. How is SZTAKI pronounced?


                                                                                                        According to Hungarian Pronunciation in Everything.com:
                                                                                                        http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1499967

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                                                                                                        Please note that Magyar words are pronounced, basically, completely phonetically....Hungarian words are pronounced with stress on the first syllable...

                                                                                                        sz [s]: As in \"say.\" That\'s right, the only way to get rid of that built-in h is to use a z to cancel it out! So, to clarify, Magyar \"s\" == English \"sh,\" Magyar \"sz\" == English \"s.\"

                                                                                                        t [t]: As in \"tie.\" Same as in English.

                                                                                                        a [a]: as in \"cot.\" The vowel in \"caught\" may be more accurate, although it\'s a subtle difference even if you pronounce the two differently at all. This is a difficult sound to get used to; in English, the letter \"a\" is generally pronounced much farther forward than in Magyar. I tend to think of it almost as an \"aw\" sound.

                                                                                                        k [k]: As in \"kick.\" Nothing new here.

                                                                                                        i [i]: As in \"sit.\" Same as English, but always short.
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                                                                                                        So my guess is that SZTAKI is pronounced \"stawki\" in English?

                                                                                                        I await the opinion of a real expert.


                                                                                                        Bumping thread. I'm writing SZTAKI entry for team's wiki. Any comments, plz?

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