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Message 3341 - Posted 4 Jul 2006 22:10:20 UTC

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    Platform - Current version
    Linux/x86 : 2.0 -> 2.01 since 13 Jul 2006 -> 2.02 since 26 Jul. -> 2.03 since 1 Aug 2006
    Windows/x86 : 2.0 -> since 5 Jul 2006
    Macintosh OS/X : 2.0 -> since 5 Jul 2006

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    2006. july. 5.
    Serch 2.0 has been released. The new algorithm is capable to process bigger matricies. For changes in program behaviour read FAQ

    2006. july. 5.
    With the optimization of the code of the new algorithm the processing has become gradually faster. Further optimizations soon.

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    Message 3345 - Posted 5 Jul 2006 17:29:25 UTC

      got one new WU with a deadline of 100h.
      But when I lock on the percentage done, it seems it would take over 70h to complete.
      Suspended it for the moment. May be some others had the same experiences.
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      Message 3346 - Posted 5 Jul 2006 17:37:42 UTC - in response to Message 3345.

        got one new WU with a deadline of 100h.
        But when I lock on the percentage done, it seems it would take over 70h to complete.
        Suspended it for the moment. May be some others had the same experiences.


        I got 6 of those today, first one running is at time 0:17:21 and .27 percent. At that rate would take about 100 houst to complete. At that rate would have to abort 5 of the 6 and with other programs running may not finish the first on time.

        Arn\'t there any plans for longer deadlines on the long units? Or do ones like this just run a couple hours and end? At the projected rate you can not run other programs at the same time.
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        Message 3363 - Posted 5 Jul 2006 23:12:17 UTC

          I just got several new WU\'s. They all take about 60 seconds and give a \"Computation Error\" as a result. :(

          Looking at some of the other users crunching the same WU\'s, it looks like I\'m not the only one.

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          Message 3364 - Posted 5 Jul 2006 23:21:31 UTC

            I\'m thinking I may have to abort quite a few WUs. My first one is at 14% complete after just under 2 hours. The homepage says for additional info on the new app, check the FAQ. The FAQ doesn\'t appear to specifically mention anything on the new app, or am I missing something?
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            Message 3365 - Posted 5 Jul 2006 23:23:52 UTC

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              Similar to previous reports - downloaded a bunch of WU\'s and computer started on the first one. After 19+ minutes it shows 0% progress and \"To completion\" of 7 min, 21 seconds. Note: 7:21 is the \"To completion\" shown for all the new WU\'s.

              Edit: Win XP Pro, 2.4 GHz P4, BOINC 5.4.9

              Edit2: Restarted the computer (cold boot). \"To completion\" times now all 23+ minutes. This WU was the \"stuck\" WU, but after reboot, it showed \"Complete\". Although it indicates a \"Success\", I don\'t think so.

              Edit3: BOINC was not \"acting right\" - so I reinstalled BOINC (\"Repair\" option). Then all WU\'s in cache showed as Computation error\".
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              Message 3366 - Posted 5 Jul 2006 23:34:56 UTC

                I just got new WU\'s. They take about 60 seconds and each one gives a \"Computation Error\" as a result.

                B. :(
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                Message 3367 - Posted 5 Jul 2006 23:40:50 UTC

                  I got different problem. 6 units, at least two large (2.2 MB), all calculated very quickly (2.5 minutes, just as fast as with Akos\' tool), all ending with \"error in calculation\", few large results (hundreths of kB) were uploaded back.
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                  Message 3368 - Posted 5 Jul 2006 23:43:01 UTC - in response to Message 3363.

                    I just got several new WU\'s. They all take about 60 seconds and give a \"Computation Error\" as a result. :(

                    Looking at some of the other users crunching the same WU\'s, it looks like I\'m not the only one.


                    Same here :(
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                    Message 3369 - Posted 5 Jul 2006 23:43:26 UTC

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                      now getting:

                      06/07/2006 00:41:07|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Requesting 864000 seconds of new work
                      06/07/2006 00:41:12|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Scheduler request succeeded
                      06/07/2006 00:41:12|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: No work sent
                      06/07/2006 00:41:12|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: (reached daily quota of 41 results)
                      06/07/2006 00:41:12|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|No work from project

                      btw..widows xp user..
                      daily quota indeed how dare they......;)



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                      Message 3370 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 0:29:25 UTC - in response to Message 3365.

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                        Similar to previous reports - downloaded a bunch of WU\'s and computer started on the first one. After 19+ minutes it shows 0% progress and \"To completion\" of 7 min, 21 seconds. Note: 7:21 is the \"To completion\" shown for all the new WU\'s.

                        Edit: Win XP Pro, 2.4 GHz P4, BOINC 5.4.9

                        Edit2: Restarted the computer (cold boot). \"To completion\" times now all 23+ minutes. This WU was the \"stuck\" WU, but after reboot, it showed \"Complete\". Although it indicates a \"Success\", I don\'t think so.

                        Edit3: BOINC was not \"acting right\" - so I reinstalled BOINC (\"Repair\" option). Then all WU\'s in cache showed as \"Computation error\".


                        Although my other computer didn\'t have the same problems, it\'s first two completed WU\'s also failed - just different errors: WU 1 and WU 2.

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                        Message 3371 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 1:23:09 UTC

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                          My celeron 2.93 is now at 1:32 and still 0.00% with a remaining time of 0:00.

                          At least the ones on the P4 listed a percent so I could figure out the estimated running time, even if 110 hours was to long when running 2 projects.

                          Has anyone done a 2.0 unit with no problems running it?

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                          Jumped all the way up to 0.01% at 1:36
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                          Message 3372 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 1:29:25 UTC

                            So far all of the 2.0 apps that have run on my pc have failed. I will copy some of the errors here.

                            7/5/2006 7:19:22 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Computation for task 7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_01f059ff-cbdf-41c5-ac1e-9cf5db099b29_338_0 finished
                            7/5/2006 7:19:22 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Output file 7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_01f059ff-cbdf-41c5-ac1e-9cf5db099b29_338_0_2 for task 7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_01f059ff-cbdf-41c5-ac1e-9cf5db099b29_338_0 exceeds size limit.
                            7/5/2006 7:19:22 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|File size: 2372908.000000 bytes. Limit: 1048576.000000 bytes
                            7/5/2006 7:19:22 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Output file 7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_01f059ff-cbdf-41c5-ac1e-9cf5db099b29_338_0_4 for task 7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_01f059ff-cbdf-41c5-ac1e-9cf5db099b29_338_0 exceeds size limit.
                            7/5/2006 7:19:22 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|File size: 1253598.000000 bytes. Limit: 1048576.000000 bytes
                            7/5/2006 7:19:22 PM||Resuming round-robin CPU scheduling.
                            7/5/2006 7:19:22 PM|XtremLab|Resuming task BRM2530466_0 using xtremlab version 205
                            7/5/2006 7:19:23 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Unrecoverable error for result 7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_01f059ff-cbdf-41c5-ac1e-9cf5db099b29_338_0 (<file_xfer_error> <file_name>7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_01f059ff-cbdf-41c5-ac1e-9cf5db099b29_338_0_2</file_name> <error_code>-131</error_code></file_xfer_error><file_xfer_error> <file_name>7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_01f059ff-cbdf-41c5-ac1e-9cf5db099b29_338_0_4</file_name> <error_code>-131</error_code></file_xfer_error>)

                            When I looked at my results here, no one had returned a good result for any of the 2.0 apps I have run. Is there a problem here?
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                            Message 3373 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 1:41:11 UTC - in response to Message 3372.


                              I just did 2 WU\'s that took about 1 minute to run and the % counted down and time to run seemed to work but Both WU\'s errored out.

                              Are you sure this was tested by someone ???


                              7/5/2006 9:35:04 PM|sztaki desktop grid|Computation for result 7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_847c6a56-8ef0-4243-85b1-22cd6f2e0a3c_767_7 finished
                              7/5/2006 9:35:04 PM|sztaki desktop grid|Output file 7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_847c6a56-8ef0-4243-85b1-22cd6f2e0a3c_767_7_2 for result 7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_847c6a56-8ef0-4243-85b1-22cd6f2e0a3c_767_7 exceeds size limit.
                              7/5/2006 9:35:04 PM|sztaki desktop grid|File size: 2372908.000000 bytes. Limit: 1048576.000000 bytes
                              7/5/2006 9:35:04 PM|sztaki desktop grid|Output file 7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_847c6a56-8ef0-4243-85b1-22cd6f2e0a3c_767_7_4 for result 7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_847c6a56-8ef0-4243-85b1-22cd6f2e0a3c_767_7 exceeds size limit.
                              7/5/2006 9:35:04 PM|sztaki desktop grid|File size: 1237647.000000 bytes. Limit: 1048576.000000 bytes
                              7/5/2006 9:35:04 PM|sztaki desktop grid|CC calibration failed: credit_correction_factor checksum failed!
                              7/5/2006 9:35:05 PM|sztaki desktop grid|Unrecoverable error for result 7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_847c6a56-8ef0-4243-85b1-22cd6f2e0a3c_767_7 (<file_xfer_error> <file_name>7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_847c6a56-8ef0-4243-85b1-22cd6f2e0a3c_767_7_2</file_name> <error_code>-131</error_code> <error_message></error_message></file_xfer_error><file_xfer_error> <file_name>7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_847c6a56-8ef0-4243-85b1-22cd6f2e0a3c_767_7_4</file_name> <error_code>-131</error_code> <error_message></error_message></file_xfer_error>)
                              7/5/2006 9:35:06 PM|sztaki desktop grid|Started upload of 7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_847c6a56-8ef0-4243-85b1-22cd6f2e0a3c_767_7_0
                              7/5/2006 9:35:06 PM|sztaki desktop grid|Started upload of 7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_847c6a56-8ef0-4243-85b1-22cd6f2e0a3c_767_7_1
                              7/5/2006 9:35:13 PM|sztaki desktop grid|Finished upload of 7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_847c6a56-8ef0-4243-85b1-22cd6f2e0a3c_767_7_0
                              7/5/2006 9:35:13 PM|sztaki desktop grid|Throughput 325 bytes/sec
                              7/5/2006 9:35:13 PM|sztaki desktop grid|Finished upload of 7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_847c6a56-8ef0-4243-85b1-22cd6f2e0a3c_767_7_1
                              7/5/2006 9:35:13 PM|sztaki desktop grid|Throughput 573 bytes/sec
                              7/5/2006 9:35:13 PM|sztaki desktop grid|Started upload of 7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_847c6a56-8ef0-4243-85b1-22cd6f2e0a3c_767_7_3
                              7/5/2006 9:35:20 PM|sztaki desktop grid|Finished upload of 7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_847c6a56-8ef0-4243-85b1-22cd6f2e0a3c_767_7_3
                              7/5/2006 9:35:20 PM|sztaki desktop grid|Throughput 251 bytes/sec

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                              Message 3374 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 2:42:56 UTC - in response to Message 3373.

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                                I just did 2 WU\'s that took about 1 minute to run and the % counted down and time to run seemed to work but Both WU\'s errored out.

                                Are you sure this was tested by someone ???


                                A lot of these \"fast errors\" all have the same file transfer error message. Is there an upload problem with the results or are the computations going awry?
                                I\'m hoping it\'s not a problem uploading, because I\'d hate to finish my ~14 hour WU just to get an invalid result.
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                                Message 3376 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 4:30:47 UTC - in response to Message 3364.

                                  I\'m thinking I may have to abort quite a few WUs.


                                  Yeah, I\'ve aborted and am suspending new work until this is resolved. I\'m not wasting my CPU time since all of my units have resulted in \"Computational Error\".
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                                  Message 3378 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 4:49:22 UTC

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                                    Short or very too short wus but all are in error (error_code -131).

                                    edit :
                                    What\'s the problem (?) with the output file since every time it exceeds its size limit ??





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                                    Message 3379 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 5:13:05 UTC

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                                      Found a wu valid (for some machines under Linux) :
                                      wu56

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                                      sometimes under Linux, a problem like this one :
                                      process exited with code 127 (0x7f)
                                      </message>
                                      <stderr_txt>
                                      search_2.00_i686-pc-linux-gnu: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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                                      Message 3381 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 6:29:14 UTC

                                        Szia Ádám!
                                        2006. 07. 06. 8:05:19|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: Your computer has only 133677056 bytes of memory; workunit requires 540944 more bytes
                                        Most fél MB miatt nem csinálhat a gépem semmit?!
                                        Céges gép, saját pénzb?l nem fejlesztem.
                                        Jó lenne még egy kicsit optimalizálni, lehet?leg a memóriára ügyelve.
                                        Legyetek jók!
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                                        Message 3383 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 7:29:27 UTC

                                          I finished my first work unit after 8h55 of work on an A64 4400+ (3.5GHz) and I had an error because the output file is too big:
                                          06/07/2006 06:38|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Computation for task 476bf976-7bc5-456a-87ea-56b0d21825cd_a9b0c92b-01de-45e1-8781-92180de00124_381_1 finished
                                          06/07/2006 06:38|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Output file 476bf976-7bc5-456a-87ea-56b0d21825cd_a9b0c92b-01de-45e1-8781-92180de00124_381_1_2 for task 476bf976-7bc5-456a-87ea-56b0d21825cd_a9b0c92b-01de-45e1-8781-92180de00124_381_1 exceeds size limit.
                                          06/07/2006 06:38|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|File size: 4766908.000000 bytes. Limit: 1048576.000000 bytes
                                          06/07/2006 06:38|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Output file 476bf976-7bc5-456a-87ea-56b0d21825cd_a9b0c92b-01de-45e1-8781-92180de00124_381_1_4 for task 476bf976-7bc5-456a-87ea-56b0d21825cd_a9b0c92b-01de-45e1-8781-92180de00124_381_1 exceeds size limit.
                                          06/07/2006 06:38|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|File size: 1933950.000000 bytes. Limit: 1048576.000000 bytes

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                                          Message 3384 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 8:04:16 UTC - in response to Message 3378.

                                            Short or very too short wus but all are in error (error_code -131).

                                            edit :
                                            What\'s the problem (?) with the output file since every time it exceeds its size limit ??


                                            Same here, had about a dozen overnight, all fairly short, all failed -131. They seem to have gone around a fair selection of hosts too, each of which has failed. Here\'s a typical WU http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=2010. Mike

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                                            Message 3385 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 8:26:09 UTC

                                              \"exceeds size limit\" is a known issue.
                                              Size limit can be both client and server driven, IIRC.

                                              To check client side, browse client_state.xml and search for info on mentioned WUs.
                                              There should be two limits in file_info section for the WU: one for local file, one for uploader.

                                              It may read like (taken from Einstein).
                                              <upload_when_present/>
                                              <max_nbytes>6000000</max_nbytes>

                                              bottom note: we were able to fix this with CPDN so that final model uploads were able to be sent home.

                                              For the new WUs, fix needs to be applyed on server side in the process of creating WUs.

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                                              Message 3386 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 8:27:51 UTC - in response to Message 3341.

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                                                Platform - Current version
                                                Linux/x86 : 2.0
                                                Windows/x86 : 2.0
                                                Macintosh OS/X : 2.0

                                                2006. july. 5.
                                                Serch 2.0 has been released. The new algorithm is capable to process bigger matricies. For changes in program behaviour read FAQ

                                                I kinda haven\'t found what the 2.0 does - in English.

                                                I\'m also curious about quality of previous results (12 and possibly 11th dimension) which was in question.

                                                EDIT: as there is no good feedback on 2.0 version...
                                                - has it been in-house tested before deploying?
                                                - have you considered public alpha/beta testing as other projects? It doesn\'t have to be an extra server/site like CPDN or Rosetta/Ralph but can be done via anonymous platform (app_info.xml) like Einstein does.
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                                                Message 3387 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 8:35:00 UTC - in response to Message 3386.

                                                  QUESTION:
                                                  The program runs for too long and I can\'t see the level of completeness in the client!
                                                  ANSWER:
                                                  The program, search, that is run on your computer processes matricies. The process of the certain matricies last for different time. Some are processed faster, some need to be tackled with longer.
                                                  If your computer has received an input that consists of matricies, the process of which is quick, than you can keep tabs on the ammount of processed and the total number of matricies. Divide the 2 gives the level of completeness in a percentaged.
                                                  If there is a matrix the process of which lasts longer, we can\'t determine how long it will take. Therefore we always send only 1 of these matricies to your computer at a time. In this case the level of completeness will stay 0% for a longer time. This is not an error, so do not cancel such workunits, because these matricies alse have to be processed for the project to be successful. Naturally, you recive more credit for such workunits.

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                                                  Message 3388 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 8:56:23 UTC

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                                                    Downloaded approx. 40 WUs - all reporting Client Error!!

                                                    All have taken less than 60 secs to complete???
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                                                    Message 3389 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 10:34:44 UTC

                                                      Thanks for stopping by, Adam.
                                                      Your answer put some light on what new version is doing and that non-linear progress and run times are of nature of the methods used and not a bug and that users should keep the task running.

                                                      Is it possible - in this stage - to clarify question of previous results quality and give some comments on idea of beta-testing (via app_info.xml and manual app download)?
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                                                      Message 3390 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 18:17:07 UTC

                                                        7 WU generators are running and Iam getting this :(

                                                        06/07/2006 20:08:20|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: No work sent
                                                        06/07/2006 20:08:20|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: (there was work but it was committed to other platforms)
                                                        06/07/2006 20:08:20|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|No work from project

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                                                        Message 3391 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 19:05:59 UTC

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                                                          An other \"problem\" :
                                                          Since our wus are in error, the daily wu quota per day can now decrease quickly.



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                                                          Message 3392 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 19:28:53 UTC - in response to Message 3388.

                                                            Downloaded approx. 40 WUs - all reporting Client Error!!

                                                            All have taken less than 60 secs to complete???

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                                                            You may want to stop till this is fixed, your daily quota has dropped from 500 down to 66 already.

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                                                            Message 3393 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 19:29:06 UTC

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                                                              i keep getting the following:
                                                              06/07/2006 20:26:04|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Sending scheduler request to http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/cgi-bin/scheduler
                                                              06/07/2006 20:26:04|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Reason: Requested by user
                                                              06/07/2006 20:26:04|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Requesting 86400 seconds of new work
                                                              06/07/2006 20:26:09|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Scheduler request succeeded
                                                              06/07/2006 20:26:09|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: No work sent
                                                              06/07/2006 20:26:09|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: (reached daily quota of 41 results)
                                                              I have had no new work since the start of 2.0

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                                                              Message 3394 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 19:48:31 UTC

                                                                My Win98 system managed to download one WU (with the v2.0 app), but it errored out in just a couple of minutes.

                                                                Strangely, the BOINC log shows three versions of the result being uploaded:

                                                                05/07/06 7:09:47 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Starting task 7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_2440335e-dc4c-4131-ae65-ea58e55c609e_322_5 using search version 200
                                                                [...]
                                                                05/07/06 7:22:31 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Computation for task 7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_2440335e-dc4c-4131-ae65-ea58e55c609e_322_5 finished
                                                                05/07/06 7:22:31 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Output file 7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_2440335e-dc4c-4131-ae65-ea58e55c609e_322_5_2 for task 7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_2440335e-dc4c-4131-ae65-ea58e55c609e_322_5 exceeds size limit.
                                                                05/07/06 7:22:31 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|File size: 2372908.000000 bytes. Limit: 1048576.000000 bytes
                                                                05/07/06 7:22:31 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Output file 7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_2440335e-dc4c-4131-ae65-ea58e55c609e_322_5_4 for task 7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_2440335e-dc4c-4131-ae65-ea58e55c609e_322_5 exceeds size limit.
                                                                05/07/06 7:22:31 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|File size: 1234323.000000 bytes. Limit: 1048576.000000 bytes
                                                                [...]
                                                                05/07/06 7:22:32 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Unrecoverable error for result 7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_2440335e-dc4c-4131-ae65-ea58e55c609e_322_5 (<file_xfer_error> <file_name>7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_2440335e-dc4c-4131-ae65-ea58e55c609e_322_5_2</file_name> <error_code>-131</error_code></file_xfer_error><file_xfer_error> <file_name>7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_2440335e-dc4c-4131-ae65-ea58e55c609e_322_5_4</file_name> <error_code>-131</error_code></file_xfer_error>)
                                                                05/07/06 7:22:34 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Started upload of file 7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_2440335e-dc4c-4131-ae65-ea58e55c609e_322_5_0
                                                                05/07/06 7:22:34 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Started upload of file 7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_2440335e-dc4c-4131-ae65-ea58e55c609e_322_5_1
                                                                05/07/06 7:22:38 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Finished upload of file 7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_2440335e-dc4c-4131-ae65-ea58e55c609e_322_5_0
                                                                05/07/06 7:22:38 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Throughput 1518 bytes/sec
                                                                05/07/06 7:22:38 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Started upload of file 7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_2440335e-dc4c-4131-ae65-ea58e55c609e_322_5_3
                                                                05/07/06 7:22:39 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Finished upload of file 7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_2440335e-dc4c-4131-ae65-ea58e55c609e_322_5_1
                                                                05/07/06 7:22:39 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Throughput 2291 bytes/sec
                                                                05/07/06 7:22:41 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Finished upload of file 7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_2440335e-dc4c-4131-ae65-ea58e55c609e_322_5_3
                                                                05/07/06 7:22:41 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Throughput 1629 bytes/sec


                                                                Here\'s what I see in the output file for the result:

                                                                <core_client_version>5.4.9</core_client_version>
                                                                <stderr_txt>
                                                                Initialized: Lines to process 18000
                                                                Starting with line 1
                                                                scan: init_data.xml
                                                                scan: search_2.00_windows_intelx86.exe
                                                                scan: msvcp71.dll
                                                                scan: msvcr71.dll
                                                                scan: dc-api.conf
                                                                scan: in.txt
                                                                scan: dc_stdout.txt
                                                                scan: dc_stderr.txt
                                                                scan: dc_clientlog.txt
                                                                scan: dc_ckpt_out
                                                                scan: out.txt
                                                                scan: stderr.txt
                                                                scan: stdout.txt
                                                                scan: boinc_lockfile
                                                                End of process: Number of lines processed: 18000
                                                                Input processed...notifying core client
                                                                [467289719]

                                                                </stderr_txt>
                                                                <message>
                                                                <file_xfer_error>
                                                                <file_name>7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_2440335e-dc4c-4131-ae65-ea58e55c609e_322_5_2</file_name>
                                                                <error_code>-131</error_code>
                                                                </file_xfer_error>
                                                                <file_xfer_error>
                                                                <file_name>7c96d6ae-7709-4188-bbb8-42eddcadc0f7_2440335e-dc4c-4131-ae65-ea58e55c609e_322_5_4</file_name>
                                                                <error_code>-131</error_code>
                                                                </file_xfer_error>
                                                                </message>

                                                                No work since then, just the \"other platforms\" message.
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                                                                Message 3395 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 20:10:27 UTC - in response to Message 3394.

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                                                                  My Win98 system managed to download one WU (with the v2.0 app), but it errored out in just a couple of minutes.

                                                                  Curious. I see one host (1100) which processed this same WU appears to have a Success result instead of Client error, but when you look at it there is the same -131 error sitting there too. I\'ve got one WU with one host result like that also, otherwise all 8 results in every WU I\'ve crunched today have returned client errors, with a couple of host results outstanding in all.
                                                                  Is it good strategy to set No New Work for now I wonder, or are these failures some use to the project in diagnosing the new application and WUs... Mike
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                                                                  Message 3396 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 20:37:55 UTC - in response to Message 3392.

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                                                                    Downloaded approx. 40 WUs - all reporting Client Error!!

                                                                    All have taken less than 60 secs to complete???

                                                                    Lord Tedric
                                                                    You may want to stop till this is fixed, your daily quota has dropped from 500 down to 66 already.

                                                                    The daily wu quota per cpu is now = 100.


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                                                                    Message 3397 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 20:40:00 UTC

                                                                      all of my 50 WUs have a client error.
                                                                      this is very disappointing.
                                                                      so i leave this project now.

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                                                                      Message 3399 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 21:59:20 UTC - in response to Message 3397.

                                                                        all of my 50 WUs have a client error.
                                                                        this is very disappointing.
                                                                        so i leave this project now.


                                                                        I just returned a result that took 45,447.52 seconds, claimed 153.70 credits, and is invalid because of the file transfer error. I\'m now aborting all WUs and stopping any work from this project until this quandary is resolved. I\'m not wasting 13 more hours for an invalid result.
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                                                                        Message 3400 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 22:00:32 UTC

                                                                          Yesterday I received 25 WU\'s. The report deadline is 07/09/2006. The first WU has ran 11hours/11minutes and has 3hours/21minutes to completion. The fourth WU has ran 4hours/53minutes and WUs 2 and 3 have ran 1hour each. I think you must be in a transition period, perhaps, and I will simply return the WU\'s my computer doesn\'t have time to do. Leon
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                                                                          Message 3401 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 22:29:10 UTC

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                                                                            But I got no work since all the day.

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                                                                            Message 3402 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 22:29:10 UTC

                                                                              Its better to set the time for WUs to 1h because if something is going wrong as now the waste of cpu time isnt so dramatically!

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                                                                              Message 3404 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 22:49:09 UTC

                                                                                Most of the errors seems to be my fault. Sorry! I\'ve set the max filesize too low. You can cancel all WUs and I\'ll recreate them...
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                                                                                Message 3407 - Posted 7 Jul 2006 0:20:45 UTC - in response to Message 3404.

                                                                                  Most of the errors seems to be my fault. Sorry! I\'ve set the max filesize too low. You can cancel all WUs and I\'ll recreate them...

                                                                                  Well forgive you Adam, just let us know when there are good ones.
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                                                                                  Message 3408 - Posted 7 Jul 2006 0:36:50 UTC - in response to Message 3404.

                                                                                    ...You can cancel all WUs and I\'ll recreate them...

                                                                                    Thanks for your clear and open communication, Adam. I\'ve also suspended workunit fetch for now which I also recommend others to do. Thus please let us know when updated workunits are ready.
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                                                                                    Message 3411 - Posted 7 Jul 2006 5:34:25 UTC

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                                                                                      2006. july. 6.
                                                                                      Due to a Workunit configuration fault, most of the current WUs will have errors while uploading to the server. We kindly ask to cancel the current WUs, so we can release them again with correct settings.


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                                                                                      Message 3413 - Posted 7 Jul 2006 7:48:20 UTC - in response to Message 3397.

                                                                                        all of my 50 WUs have a client error.
                                                                                        this is very disappointing.
                                                                                        so i leave this project now.


                                                                                        Cheers to those who only participate in BOINC for self-gratification in the quantity of their credits. I give you all the luck in search of a project which defies the human nature of occassionally making a mistake.

                                                                                        And yes, I forgive you too Adam. Just don\'t let it happen again, you may lose some more participants ;)
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                                                                                        Message 3414 - Posted 7 Jul 2006 8:30:23 UTC

                                                                                          Hi.
                                                                                          I\'m new to this project. Currently I get the following message when trying to download work units:

                                                                                          07-07-2006 10:00:40|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: (there was work but it was committed to other platforms)

                                                                                          What other platforms are we talking about here? Do I have to download a different version of BOINC? Or does it just not work on the Windows platform??

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                                                                                          Message 3415 - Posted 7 Jul 2006 8:47:43 UTC - in response to Message 3414.

                                                                                            Mentalus,
                                                                                            welcome in the project! You don\'t have to do anything, there is simply no work available to download right now. Just be patient and there will be work again soon.

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                                                                                            Message 3416 - Posted 7 Jul 2006 9:19:34 UTC - in response to Message 3404.

                                                                                              Most of the errors seems to be my fault. Sorry! I\'ve set the max filesize too low. You can cancel all WUs and I\'ll recreate them...


                                                                                              Thank You for informing us!

                                                                                              I did a little error when I cancelled the remaining wu\'s, instead of abort them, I just resetted the project, so You have to wait untill the 10th before mine will be sent back! Any thing I can do to help to restart the project / release the wu connected to my account?

                                                                                              Thank You !



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                                                                                              Message 3419 - Posted 7 Jul 2006 13:02:44 UTC - in response to Message 3416.

                                                                                                the 10th before mine will be sent back! Any thing I can do to help to restart the project / release the wu connected to my account?


                                                                                                Please, don\'t wait till the 10th. Cancel all WUs, or reset the project.
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                                                                                                Message 3422 - Posted 7 Jul 2006 21:39:36 UTC - in response to Message 3419.

                                                                                                  Please, don\'t wait till the 10th. Cancel all WUs, or reset the project.

                                                                                                  I think, if you reset a project, the project is not informed about it. So the WU will stay until the deadline. Better is abort WU, wait until the client tried to start the WU (and the WU will error at once) and then update the project.

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                                                                                                  Message 3442 - Posted 11 Jul 2006 4:20:51 UTC

                                                                                                    Got 4 new WUs today. 2 reported, 2 still crunching. 1 of the reported WUs is fine, this one has the same error code and file xfer error that the older ones had.
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                                                                                                      I got a group of 12 WUs on one of my computers (OS Windows). The first WU (No. 101) has Progress 0,000% after >2 hours of crunching. So I manually suspend it but the next WU has Progress 0,000% after 20 minutes. On my second computer (Linux OS) is max time of crunching <1 hour. So I´m not sure, if the group of WUs on my windows-comp is correct?
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                                                                                                      Message 3444 - Posted 11 Jul 2006 8:45:45 UTC

                                                                                                        ok got 60 wu\'s over three pc\'s :)
                                                                                                        nine hours into these new wu\'s (as i got mine at midnight) and have the following to report:

                                                                                                        B1= 20.350% ....AMD 2600...overclocked ...win xp
                                                                                                        B2= 90.670%....Celeron 2200...laptop ....win xp
                                                                                                        B3= 5.150%.....AMD 2500...overclocked ....win xp

                                                                                                        B2 as completed 6 wu\'s of various times of 6 hours ...down to 1 min 30secs

                                                                                                        the two AMD\'s are still one there 1st wu\'s...


                                                                                                        just great to have work agin\' :)


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                                                                                                        Message 3445 - Posted 11 Jul 2006 8:51:26 UTC - in response to Message 3444.

                                                                                                          Once more, if you haven\'t read the FAQ:
                                                                                                          If the progresss of a WU stays 0% for long, that means that you\'ve received a WU that contains only one matrix that needs a longer computing. In the process of a matrix we can\'t tell you where we are, so no progress is shown, but checkpointing works. So it will finish sometimes, but I can\'t tell you when. Don\'t abort these WUs as they are also needed to be processed.

                                                                                                          If you see the progress that means you\'ve received multiple matricies in a WU and the progress means how many of them has been processed so far.

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                                                                                                          Message 3446 - Posted 11 Jul 2006 8:55:35 UTC

                                                                                                            Results still have a size limit at 10485760 bytes. Are you sure it\'s good ?

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                                                                                                            Message 3447 - Posted 11 Jul 2006 9:01:49 UTC - in response to Message 3445.

                                                                                                              Once more, if you haven\'t read the FAQ:
                                                                                                              If the progresss of a WU stays 0% for long, that means that you\'ve received a WU that contains only one matrix that needs a longer computing. In the process of a matrix we can\'t tell you where we are, so no progress is shown, but checkpointing works. So it will finish sometimes, but I can\'t tell you when. Don\'t abort these WUs as they are also needed to be processed.

                                                                                                              If you see the progress that means you\'ve received multiple matricies in a WU and the progress means how many of them has been processed so far.

                                                                                                              Questions?


                                                                                                              i will not delete or stop any wu\'s that are making progress regardless of time taking to complete...
                                                                                                              if its making headway leave it be...:)

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                                                                                                              Message 3448 - Posted 11 Jul 2006 9:09:36 UTC - in response to Message 3445.

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                                                                                                                deleted: was sended twice
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                                                                                                                Message 3449 - Posted 11 Jul 2006 9:10:07 UTC - in response to Message 3446.

                                                                                                                  Thierry,

                                                                                                                  the biggest output is 7MB and the limit is 10MB, so I think it is correct...why are you asking anyways?
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                                                                                                                  Message 3450 - Posted 11 Jul 2006 9:10:46 UTC - in response to Message 3445.

                                                                                                                    Once more, if you haven\'t read the FAQ:
                                                                                                                    If the progresss of a WU stays 0% for long, that means that you\'ve received a WU that contains only one matrix that needs a longer computing. In the process of a matrix we can\'t tell you where we are, so no progress is shown, but checkpointing works. So it will finish sometimes, but I can\'t tell you when. Don\'t abort these WUs as they are also needed to be processed.

                                                                                                                    If you see the progress that means you\'ve received multiple matricies in a WU and the progress means how many of them has been processed so far.

                                                                                                                    Thanks for your answer(and Bobuk too)

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                                                                                                                    1. Is it any other way to form an estimate of progress?
                                                                                                                    2. Checkpoints are saved each 30 sec. Thats a very short time, can i change it? I think that 2-5 minutes will be better.



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                                                                                                                    Message 3451 - Posted 11 Jul 2006 9:12:59 UTC

                                                                                                                      I look on my WUs. When I got WU on my Linux PC all co-crunchers have Linux PC too - the same case is on my Windows PC. I think, that the better way is send one WU to Windows and Linux (or other platform) at the same time. How is possible to find diferences between platform application if one WU is sended only to Linux or only to Windows platform?
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                                                                                                                      Message 3452 - Posted 11 Jul 2006 9:19:32 UTC - in response to Message 3449.

                                                                                                                        Thierry,

                                                                                                                        the biggest output is 7MB and the limit is 10MB, so I think it is correct...why are you asking anyways?


                                                                                                                        Sorry Adam, I made a mistake when I count number of digits.
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                                                                                                                        Message 3453 - Posted 11 Jul 2006 9:27:58 UTC - in response to Message 3450.


                                                                                                                          1. Is it any other way to form an estimate of progress?


                                                                                                                          Well, there might be, but it\'s not trivial...


                                                                                                                          2. Checkpoints are saved each 30 sec. Thats a very short time, can i change it? I think that 2-5 minutes will be better.


                                                                                                                          Checkpointing is done at 2 places during the process.
                                                                                                                          #1: if the process of 1 matrix is finished, we save the results (this happens every time 1 matrix is finished, but we don\'t want completed results to get lost)
                                                                                                                          #2: during the process of 1 matrix if boinc core client recomends (I think the default is 5 mins, and you can change it by recompiling the core client) to do a checkpoint the state is saved

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                                                                                                                          Message 3454 - Posted 11 Jul 2006 9:32:52 UTC - in response to Message 3451.

                                                                                                                            How is possible to find diferences between platform application if one WU is sended only to Linux or only to Windows platform?


                                                                                                                            Well, this is interesting, homogeneous redundacy has been commented out from the config file, but it seems that the config parser of boinc is not a perfect one and it parse comments too...anyways, thanks for the notice, I\'ve swithced it off (deleted the line from the config) and also updated the database not to have any homogeneous WUs. It should be working now, but tell me if it\'s not...thanks
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                                                                                                                            Message 3455 - Posted 11 Jul 2006 9:39:33 UTC

                                                                                                                              Adam,
                                                                                                                              I have another question about estimated time. Curently on my A64 4400+, I have an estimated time of 1h13 and my first wu is only at 30% after 10 hours of calculation. My cache was setup on 3 days and I download 121 WUs. I probably will finish all of them after the deadline :-(

                                                                                                                              I think it would be good to increase the estimated time to slowest WU time to be sure to not have a too big cache. It\'s what LHC does with there unknowned calculation times.

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                                                                                                                              Message 3456 - Posted 11 Jul 2006 9:46:36 UTC - in response to Message 3453.


                                                                                                                                1. Is it any other way to form an estimate of progress?


                                                                                                                                Well, there might be, but it\'s not trivial...


                                                                                                                                Would you describe this not trivial way? THX

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                                                                                                                                Message 3457 - Posted 11 Jul 2006 10:03:09 UTC - in response to Message 3453.

                                                                                                                                  Checkpointing is done at 2 places during the process.
                                                                                                                                  #1: if the process of 1 matrix is finished, we save the results (this happens every time 1 matrix is finished, but we don\'t want completed results to get lost)
                                                                                                                                  #2: during the process of 1 matrix if boinc core client recomends (I think the default is 5 mins, and you can change it by recompiling the core client) to do a checkpoint the state is saved

                                                                                                                                  I have original Boinc core 5.4.9 and checkpoints are saved each 30 sec. And this is the WU without showing progress - that seems then any of your cases are right. Or I not understand it :(

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                                                                                                                                  Message 3458 - Posted 11 Jul 2006 10:31:37 UTC

                                                                                                                                    Had to reset the project on my Xeons (3.06 & 3.4), BOINC (5.2.13) was locking up. Also strange problems on AMD Athlon 64 FX-60 Dual Core , and AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4800+ 5 hours and still 0.00% completed and to completion never moved from 1.04 hours. Haven\'t loaded it on AMD Dual Core AMD Opteron 275, and don\'t know if I will, don\'t need 4 processors doing the same thing. It seems that application 2.0 has problems with high end AMD processors or dual core processors.
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                                                                                                                                    Message 3459 - Posted 11 Jul 2006 11:10:15 UTC

                                                                                                                                      My machine uploaded some 180 WUs!!! It looks that processing single WU will take over half a day and yet, the deadline is mere 7 days. Perhaps the deadline could be extended or a better working limit used.
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                                                                                                                                      Message 3462 - Posted 11 Jul 2006 22:53:34 UTC - in response to Message 3455.

                                                                                                                                        Adam,
                                                                                                                                        I have another question about estimated time ...
                                                                                                                                        I think it would be good to increase the estimated time to slowest WU time to be sure to not have a too big cache.


                                                                                                                                        Thierry, you\'re right. As I\'m always lack of time I thought I could skip the estimation part and go on with a default estimation and everything will be alright...the good thing is that I always learn from my mistakes, so estimation will be better in the future...
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                                                                                                                                        Message 3463 - Posted 11 Jul 2006 23:03:42 UTC - in response to Message 3456.


                                                                                                                                          Would you describe this not trivial way? THX


                                                                                                                                          Sure, LiborA. We have a recursive algorithm which starts to get recalled and recalled again and again. Depending on the input, the depth of recursion varies, so we can\'t tell how many times the recurison will get called. Which we have to know if we want to display the progress.

                                                                                                                                          One solution would be to make estimations, but right now my resources don\'t allow me to allocate time to this. Have any better ideas?


                                                                                                                                          ...5 hours and still 0.00% completed and to completion never moved from 1.04 hours...

                                                                                                                                          Narval, come on, please! We\'ve already discussed this a thousand times. That WU contains 1 matrix which needs some heavy process, and because of the circumstances stated above we can\'t tell the progress while processing only 1 matrix. So the progress will stay 0% for half a day, for 1 day, for 2 days, or maybe who knows how many days and than it will jump to 100%...
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                                                                                                                                          Message 3464 - Posted 11 Jul 2006 23:17:05 UTC

                                                                                                                                            Could we please have longer deadlines?

                                                                                                                                            I have one that is 3.4% complete at 22 hours. At this rate, there is no hope of getting done even close to on time, and there is other work on the system that will be returned late as well.
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                                                                                                                                            Message 3465 - Posted 11 Jul 2006 23:22:22 UTC

                                                                                                                                              I\'m somewhat reassured by other comments here concerning inaccurate estimates of time required, but I thought I\'d register my current concern anyway:

                                                                                                                                              One of my Macs (a G4/400) downloaded three WUs yesterday; after an hour of crunching the first one the estimated time remaining was around seven hundred hours. With a three-day deadline that\'s obviously no good, by an order of magnitude ... Now, after about six hours of work in \"panic mode\" (this machine only runs BOINC part-time, and is attached to two other projects), things look a bit better--but it\'s still showing an estimated completion date in late August (six weeks overdue!), with over three hundred hours to go. I\'m hoping these figures are completely wrong--but if they\'re not, it will be impossible for me to continue participating in the project unless the deadlines are extended a great deal. By way of comparison, the \"short\" Einstein@home WUs (which take that same system about five hours of CPU time) have two-week deadlines.
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                                                                                                                                              Message 3466 - Posted 11 Jul 2006 23:28:25 UTC

                                                                                                                                                One of my computers has gone into EDF Mode because the WU\'s it downloaded are taking much longer than (originally) estimated (and I think my other computer is likely to do the same thing very soon). I\'ve read the posts regarding the recursive algorithm and the problems estimating \"Time to complete\", so I \"sort of\" understand what is going on. I am just looking for a little advice on how to manage things. It appears that, even in EDF Mode, several of my SZTAKI WU\'s will miss deadline. Should I abort some now so they can be reissued or wait a while? And, is any thought being given to extending deadlines?
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                                                                                                                                                Message 3468 - Posted 12 Jul 2006 6:25:29 UTC - in response to Message 3459.

                                                                                                                                                  My machine uploaded some 180 WUs!!! It looks that processing single WU will take over half a day and yet, the deadline is mere 7 days. Perhaps the deadline could be extended or a better working limit used.

                                                                                                                                                  How did you set up \"Connect to network about every xx\" ? or did you fake the number of cpus ?
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                                                                                                                                                  Message 3469 - Posted 12 Jul 2006 6:34:18 UTC - in response to Message 3463.


                                                                                                                                                    ...5 hours and still 0.00% completed and to completion never moved from 1.04 hours...

                                                                                                                                                    Narval, come on, please! We\'ve already discussed this a thousand times. That WU contains 1 matrix which needs some heavy process, and because of the circumstances stated above we can\'t tell the progress while processing only 1 matrix. So the progress will stay 0% for half a day, for 1 day, for 2 days, or maybe who knows how many days and than it will jump to 100%...

                                                                                                                                                    After 23 hours the first WU is not finished and I got 12 WUs and deadline is 14/07/2006 - it seems I can not complete my WUs before deadline :(

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                                                                                                                                                    Message 3470 - Posted 12 Jul 2006 6:43:42 UTC

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                                                                                                                                                      My problem is my Win98SE machine (Barton 2500+).
                                                                                                                                                      I suspended Sztaki on it.
                                                                                                                                                      I d/led 4 wus and now i have a workbuffer estimated 400 days on Sztaki (running with 4 others projects) ;)
                                                                                                                                                      Completion time ? 7 days, 8 days, 38 days and 82 days.
                                                                                                                                                      Ehm, the other problem is the application is running very slowly on this machine.

                                                                                                                                                      Seems easier on my Win2k machines though on my Barton 3200+ (Win2k), i suspended a wu 455xxx...
                                                                                                                                                      Deadline : 14 jul
                                                                                                                                                      Completion time : 6 days
                                                                                                                                                      On this wu, the application is running very slowly too.
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                                                                                                                                                      Message 3474 - Posted 12 Jul 2006 14:02:48 UTC

                                                                                                                                                        My home pc (1.8ghz win xp) downloaded 95 wu\'s. I have a 3 day connection time to minimized network traffic. I also travel with a separate notebook, 3 days means I will not run out of work. Each WU estimated 6 minutes to complete, but after 8.5 hours was only 1.3% complete with deadline in 5 days. therefore, none of my wu would make deadline. This was only project on the machine. I have reset the project and suspended until these WU problems get fixed.


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                                                                                                                                                        Message 3478 - Posted 12 Jul 2006 16:47:47 UTC

                                                                                                                                                          Given the variable length of the new WU, how about assigning longer deadlines, or at least assign longer deadlines to the longer WU, if you can identify those ahead of time.

                                                                                                                                                          I\'ve had to abort several of these already, as they would not finish in time, and would make other work run late if I allowed them to complete. The current length with the current deadline is simply not feasible, even if we were to run Sztaki 100% of the time.
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                                                                                                                                                          Message 3481 - Posted 12 Jul 2006 19:35:53 UTC - in response to Message 3478.

                                                                                                                                                            I\'m configuring the deadlines and the estimatied times of the new WUs and I\'m taking into account all what you\'ve written here.
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                                                                                                                                                            Message 3484 - Posted 13 Jul 2006 14:28:09 UTC

                                                                                                                                                              Adam,

                                                                                                                                                              Could you have a look at this wu. During calulation, there was % progression but not time progression. CPU load was close to 0. Calculation clock time was 1h13 and cpu time was 53s. Finally wu is in error (file_xfer_error).

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                                                                                                                                                              Message 3490 - Posted 13 Jul 2006 18:53:05 UTC

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                                                                                                                                                                I need an advice :

                                                                                                                                                                I have a WU that is running for 30h. The progress bar is at 9% and the deadline is in 3 hours, the computer is in panic mode. What do I do? Leave it running, cancel it?
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                                                                                                                                                                Message 3491 - Posted 13 Jul 2006 19:18:31 UTC - in response to Message 3490.

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                                                                                                                                                                  I need an advice :

                                                                                                                                                                  I have a WU that is running for 30h. The progress bar is at 9% and the deadline is in 3 hours, the computer is in panic mode. What do I do? Leave it running, cancel it?
                                                                                                                                                                  Thanks.


                                                                                                                                                                  I am in a similar situation (47 hours/40% progress/28 hours to go and deadline in 3 hours). I assume that this message means it will be OK to miss the deadline - but it would be nice to have a confirmation of that.

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                                                                                                                                                                  Message 3492 - Posted 13 Jul 2006 19:29:05 UTC - in response to Message 3491.

                                                                                                                                                                    I need an advice :

                                                                                                                                                                    I have a WU that is running for 30h. The progress bar is at 9% and the deadline is in 3 hours, the computer is in panic mode. What do I do? Leave it running, cancel it?
                                                                                                                                                                    Thanks.


                                                                                                                                                                    I am in a similar situation (45 hours/40% progress/28 hours to go and deadline in 3 hours). I assume that this message means it will be OK to miss the deadline - but it would be nice to have a confirmation of that.


                                                                                                                                                                    i am sure were not alone in this:
                                                                                                                                                                    i have a Wu that is 68 hours into its job and only crunched 76% and a matter of hours left on its dead line..
                                                                                                                                                                    lets hope the next batch we get is a little bit better to work with..
                                                                                                                                                                    it will be interesting to see what sort of credit we get for these wicked long Wu\'s...

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                                                                                                                                                                    Message 3493 - Posted 13 Jul 2006 19:30:05 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                      Well, Adam said he will configure the deadline for the new WUs, but I think that doesn\'t explain what happens to the running WUs or I misunderstand the message :-(
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                                                                                                                                                                      Message 3494 - Posted 13 Jul 2006 21:00:57 UTC - in response to Message 3493.

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                                                                                                                                                                        Well, Adam said he will configure the deadline for the new WUs, but I think that doesn\'t explain what happens to the running WUs or I misunderstand the message :-(


                                                                                                                                                                        Unfortunately, Adam\'s message was a little vague. I really hope he meant that our deadlines will be extended, too. But, since we already have a lot of time invested in our \"in progress\" WU\'s, it seems like the best thing to do now is \"hang with it\" and hope we are right.

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                                                                                                                                                                        Message 3498 - Posted 13 Jul 2006 23:37:40 UTC - in response to Message 3465.

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                                                                                                                                                                          Well, the deadline for my first WU on the G4/400 Mac passed today; after two days in panic mode it was only a little over 8% done, with more than 450 hours estimated CPU time remaining. There\'s no evidence that the deadline has been extended, and the WU is showing \"No reply\", so I reset the project. (I note that nobody else who got that WU was able to return it on time either.) The system is still in EDF now, trying to finish preempted tasks from other projects, but once those are over with (they should just squeak in before their deadlines) we\'ll see if it does any better with a fresh batch of SDG work.
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                                                                                                                                                                          Message 3500 - Posted 13 Jul 2006 23:47:07 UTC - in response to Message 3494.


                                                                                                                                                                            Unfortunately, Adam\'s message was a little vague. I really hope he meant that our deadlines will be extended, too. But, since we already have a lot of time invested in our \"in progress\" WU\'s, it seems like the best thing to do now is \"hang with it\" and hope we are right.


                                                                                                                                                                            Well, the paradigm of BOINC doesn\'t allow me to modify the deadlines or anything related to a WU, after it has been sent out to a host. This is mainly, what makes my life...or the life of a BOINC project admin so much harder, because I shouldn\'t make any mistakes in configuration anytime, but I\'m just another human, so I make mistakes too.
                                                                                                                                                                            What I can do is to keep track of the bad WUs (my brain is becoming a boinc-database :-) and if you succeed with processing some of them, than I\'m happy, but if you fail I regenerate those with correct settings and grant some credits for the time spent with the wrong WU.

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                                                                                                                                                                            Message 3501 - Posted 14 Jul 2006 0:36:40 UTC - in response to Message 3500.

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                                                                                                                                                                              Well, the paradigm of BOINC doesn\'t allow me to modify the deadlines or anything related to a WU, after it has been sent out to a host. This is mainly, what makes my life...or the life of a BOINC project admin so much harder, because I shouldn\'t make any mistakes in configuration anytime, but I\'m just another human, so I make mistakes too.
                                                                                                                                                                              What I can do is to keep track of the bad WUs (my brain is becoming a boinc-database :-) and if you succeed with processing some of them, than I\'m happy, but if you fail I regenerate those with correct settings and grant some credits for the time spent with the wrong WU.


                                                                                                                                                                              Adam,

                                                                                                                                                                              You obviously know a lot more about BOINC than I do, but, I seem to remember that Seti extended deadlines on issued WU\'s about a year ago. If I remember correctly, it happened when their servers were down for an extended period and a lot of users were unable to upload completed units on time. I don\'t know how they did it though. Maybe somebody else reading this knows more about it.

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                                                                                                                                                                              Message 3506 - Posted 14 Jul 2006 5:55:11 UTC - in response to Message 3481.

                                                                                                                                                                                I\'m configuring the deadlines and the estimatied times of the new WUs and I\'m taking into account all what you\'ve written here.


                                                                                                                                                                                I have in my Results of Computer by all of unreported WUs server state = over and outcome = no reply. So I suspend SZTAKI for this time.

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                                                                                                                                                                                Message 3507 - Posted 14 Jul 2006 6:32:32 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                  Isn\'t there a configuration that makes the server to accept results that are over the deadline?

                                                                                                                                                                                  CPDN still accepts results when the deadline is over. The boxes will still run in panic mode - but their results will not go to the trashcan and as long as they still trickle now and then, the server doesn\'t deliver the WU again.

                                                                                                                                                                                  So there might be a trick to do that.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 3508 - Posted 14 Jul 2006 7:06:50 UTC

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                                                                                                                                                                                    search_2.01_i686-pc-linux-gnu: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

                                                                                                                                                                                    found this here

                                                                                                                                                                                    Static linking might fix it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 3509 - Posted 14 Jul 2006 7:18:31 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                      Well, I\'ve cancelled the two WUs because they look like they are a 300 hours WU with 265 hours after the deadline, so ....

                                                                                                                                                                                      It was the WUs : 174 & 182
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                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 3511 - Posted 14 Jul 2006 7:30:26 UTC

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                                                                                                                                                                                        Hi Adam

                                                                                                                                                                                        12.5 % 8 Hours not Bad ( AMD64 4000+ ) and the End i can\'t see it.
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                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 3513 - Posted 14 Jul 2006 8:36:54 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                          I\'ve just been given WU 24563which is estimated at 360 hours with a 7 day deadline. SZTAKI runs at about 20% share of this computer, and with other SZTAKI WU\'s ahead in the queue this won\'t even start for a day or two. So it isn\'t likely to complete until October. One of the peers also given this WU is a P3 1000. I\'m wondering whether to give it an hour running to see if the estimate is genuine, or just abort it now. Mike
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                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 3516 - Posted 14 Jul 2006 11:28:44 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                            My last wu is estimated at 148:27:29. I\'m just short of an hour into it and it\'s still 0%, which makes sense if it\'s one of the single matrix calculations.

                                                                                                                                                                                            The deadline is 7/20/2006 6:51:18PM. It could be a close call.
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                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 3520 - Posted 14 Jul 2006 13:28:13 UTC

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                                                                                                                                                                                              I see that I was maybe talking on the wrong message board. Instead of reciting it all, here is the link to what happened to my aborting a 0.00% WU after crunching for 8+ hours, hitting abort, seeing 100% come up ....then getting pending credit after hitting update....whoa....

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                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 3543 - Posted 14 Jul 2006 22:43:11 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                All of my wu\'s are still erroring out. The file name changes, but this is what the error reads on all wu\'s:
                                                                                                                                                                                                7/14/2006 2:06:14 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Unrecoverable error for result eb447124-23bf-45b3-9979-2fa9e86a5ff9_293f1e96-6855-493b-bcc8-ae52a8e611e8_74_3 (<file_xfer_error> <file_name>eb447124-23bf-45b3-9979-2fa9e86a5ff9_293f1e96-6855-493b-bcc8-ae52a8e611e8_74_3_3</file_name> <error_code>-161</error_code></file_xfer_error>)

                                                                                                                                                                                                is anyone else having a similiar error?
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                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 3546 - Posted 14 Jul 2006 23:54:55 UTC

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  I would like to know if \"normal\" to get in this resultid=25944
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Name 600d8577-06e2-486f-9dc4-323439356724_20c10d9d-cfbf-44a6-8ae0-a627b3e30fa5_96_0 :

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Restarting from checkpoint: Lines processed so far 23
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Restarting line 23

                                                                                                                                                                                                  5 times ?
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 3548 - Posted 15 Jul 2006 0:20:35 UTC - in response to Message 3508.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    search_2.01_i686-pc-linux-gnu: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

                                                                                                                                                                                                    found this here

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Static linking might fix it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Adam thought that the version 2.01 (for Linux) would fix the problem.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Sounds that we will need a version 2.02.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 3549 - Posted 15 Jul 2006 0:34:01 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ehm, this wu (which i aborted) on my Barton 2500+
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      Name 37df6a30-adda-4cd0-a4ba-01c5fa4e4975_0c6fe142-bc12-48d0-9180-81dfb5c67aa0_43_0

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      Initialized: Lines to process 10000
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      Restarting line 41

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Initialized: Lines to process 10000
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Restarting from checkpoint: Lines processed so far 41
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Restarting line 41

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Initialized: Lines to process 10000
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Restarting from checkpoint: Lines processed so far 41
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Starting with line 42
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 3553 - Posted 15 Jul 2006 6:47:05 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Maybe it would be helpful to preceed the debug log lines with a timer or CPU clocks value since start, like clock()/CLOCKS_PER_SEC and/or GetTickCount()/1000 so one can see if there\'s any restart problem.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 3556 - Posted 15 Jul 2006 16:23:44 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                          What\'s happening here? Looks like my entirely standard Windows machine running 2.0 was outvoted by two Linux machines running 2.01, even though it returned a successful result that should presumably have validated. It took far longer than them too even though it is a P4 Xeon 3.2GHz and one of them is a Celeron 2.0GHz That\'s nearly 6 hours crunching wasted. Mike
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                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 3557 - Posted 15 Jul 2006 17:36:47 UTC - in response to Message 3556.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            What\'s happening here? Looks like my entirely standard Windows machine running 2.0 was outvoted by two Linux machines running 2.01, even though it returned a successful result that should presumably have validated. It took far longer than them too even though it is a P4 Xeon 3.2GHz and one of them is a Celeron 2.0GHz That\'s nearly 6 hours crunching wasted. Mike


                                                                                                                                                                                                            I had also the same trouble on one wu.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 3561 - Posted 15 Jul 2006 20:55:21 UTC - in response to Message 3419.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              the 10th before mine will be sent back! Any thing I can do to help to restart the project / release the wu connected to my account?


                                                                                                                                                                                                              Please, don\'t wait till the 10th. Cancel all WUs, or reset the project.


                                                                                                                                                                                                              Yes, I did do it and a couple of hour later I got some new wu\'s, and these has crunched happily since then!
                                                                                                                                                                                                              All of these was made the 10 th of July and the host id 8025.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              The results start comming back, 3 still running , 1 pending and one errored out with the good, old 131 error after it had run for nearly 100 hour!

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Please take a look at result id http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/result.php?resultid=737 , hope it can help You solve some of the problems!
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Some more result will soon reach a server near You ; You are welcome!

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Thank You again for all Your work and efforts!




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                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 3562 - Posted 15 Jul 2006 21:54:35 UTC

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                Impressive, your workunit 237 :
                                                                                                                                                                                                                Name 4554f111-f722-41fc-b80d-45dcd798e276_306ca545-eccf-48f8-b4ae-b45475c3d46a_5_1

                                                                                                                                                                                                                CPU time (sec) 358539.78125
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                edit :
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                <file_name>4554f111-f722-41fc-b80d-45dcd798e276_306ca545-eccf-48f8-b4ae-b45475c3d46a_5_1_2</file_name>
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 3563 - Posted 15 Jul 2006 22:21:23 UTC - in response to Message 3557.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  What\'s happening here? Looks like my entirely standard Windows machine running 2.0 was outvoted by two Linux machines running 2.01, even though it returned a successful result that should presumably have validated. It took far longer than them too even though it is a P4 Xeon 3.2GHz and one of them is a Celeron 2.0GHz That\'s nearly 6 hours crunching wasted. Mike


                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I had the same problems with this WU and this WU. Did someone forget to run validation tests before releasing 2.01 for Linux?
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 3564 - Posted 15 Jul 2006 22:57:47 UTC - in response to Message 3563.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    What\'s happening here? Looks like my entirely standard Windows machine running 2.0 was outvoted by two Linux machines running 2.01, even though it returned a successful result that should presumably have validated. It took far longer than them too even though it is a P4 Xeon 3.2GHz and one of them is a Celeron 2.0GHz That\'s nearly 6 hours crunching wasted. Mike


                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I had the same problems with this WU and this WU. Did someone forget to run validation tests before releasing 2.01 for Linux?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Have sent an email to Adam about this problem.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 3570 - Posted 16 Jul 2006 8:55:33 UTC

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Is this for real?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      wuid=24508

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      My PM/1600 Banias (Win2k) crunched more than a day and 1/4th Xeon 3000 (Linux) needed only 20% of that???

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      With 4 tasks running, one task of the Xeon should not be faster than the Pentium M, so it must be the Windows client that is a bit crappy.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 3571 - Posted 16 Jul 2006 13:14:27 UTC - in response to Message 3570.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Is this for real?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        wuid=24508

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        My PM/1600 Banias (Win2k) crunched more than a day and 1/4th Xeon 3000 (Linux) needed only 20% of that???

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        With 4 tasks running, one task of the Xeon should not be faster than the Pentium M, so it must be the Windows client that is a bit crappy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Don\'t know where is the problem but it seems indeed that Linux is faster than Windows.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 3572 - Posted 16 Jul 2006 18:58:03 UTC - in response to Message 3564.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          What\'s happening here? Looks like my entirely standard Windows machine running 2.0 was outvoted by two Linux machines running 2.01, even though it returned a successful result that should presumably have validated. It took far longer than them too even though it is a P4 Xeon 3.2GHz and one of them is a Celeron 2.0GHz That\'s nearly 6 hours crunching wasted. Mike


                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I had the same problems with this WU and this WU. Did someone forget to run validation tests before releasing 2.01 for Linux?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Have sent an email to Adam about this problem.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          here is one that went the other way, 2 Windows and 1 Linux machine returned completed results, the Linux machine got outvoted and got no credit for an \"invalid\" result. I look forward to seeing what Adam thinks, maybe the validator is just too fussy about minor differences, maybe it is more serious.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          On the subject of Linux apparently running much faster than Windows, I have seen in other projects cases where Debug mode was left in effect when an application was compiled. This can make that version of the application appear very slow compared with builds for other models etc. Just a thought. Mike
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 3573 - Posted 16 Jul 2006 20:18:06 UTC

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I have some like that also. The difference is impressive: here

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Unfortunately I\'m the first :-(


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 3574 - Posted 16 Jul 2006 21:17:23 UTC

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The 3rd box is a Windows too, the two windows boxes will out-unperform (or is it out-slug?) the linux ;-)


                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Question is : will Adam be happy with only the Linux boxes? Not many windows users will stay when the situation doesn\'t change.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 3575 - Posted 16 Jul 2006 23:34:47 UTC - in response to Message 3574.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Question is : will Adam be happy with only the Linux boxes? Not many windows users will stay when the situation doesn\'t change.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The real question is how many results will have to be thrown out? Something is fishy with either 2.0 or 2.01, and I\'d love to know which. Every time you have a 2/1 ratio with 2.0 or 2.01, the one with 2 is valid and the remainder is invalid.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Either way, a lot of results will have to be thrown out because one of the apps is producing bad results but being validated because it\'s an official app and the way the quorum is set up.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                On a related note, I just noticed that the WU I\'m crunching now (4 hours at this point) is going up against 2 Linux boxes with 2.01, (edit) and turned out to be valid, even though with a tremendously fewer credits granted than claimed, due to the lower times from 2.01.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 3576 - Posted 17 Jul 2006 6:52:43 UTC

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Other idea : the code is more \"optimized\" for Linux (?)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Anyway, we need a 2.02 for Linux and probably a 2.01/2.02 for Windows without forgotting MacOs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Did somebody go up against a Mac user in a quorum ?


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 3579 - Posted 17 Jul 2006 12:51:30 UTC - in response to Message 3576.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Did somebody go up against a Mac user in a quorum ?


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Keep an eye on this WU. It\'s got 2 Windows clients and the third is using Darwin 8.7.0.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 3583 - Posted 17 Jul 2006 15:47:42 UTC - in response to Message 3576.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Did somebody go up against a Mac user in a quorum ?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      All my Macs\' results that have been validated so far (none has failed yet!) were matched with other Macs\'. I\'ll report on any \'heterogeneous\' quorums I see, though.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 3588 - Posted 17 Jul 2006 21:30:57 UTC - in response to Message 3576.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        HAPPY BIRTHDAY SZTAKI Desktop Grid!
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ( - csak ketfajta ember van a vilagon, aki tudja mennyi 10 es aki nem... - )
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 3589 - Posted 17 Jul 2006 21:44:08 UTC

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          All the best from the U.K.






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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 3590 - Posted 17 Jul 2006 21:50:02 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yes, a very Happy Birthday (i\'m not too late). I\'m very happy to crunch here. Nice atmosfear. Very nice admin. Very nice crunchers.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Some problems here & there but that what\'s make memories. Because, finally, without problem, it\'s not fun ;-)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Go ahead Sztaki guys, we are supporting you.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 3591 - Posted 18 Jul 2006 0:01:13 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I\'ve just got an invalid v2.00 result from a G4/400 Mac that was matched with a couple of AMDs, one running Windows XP and the other Windows 2003: WU No.25743. No errors AFAICT, just failed to validate.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 3592 - Posted 18 Jul 2006 0:26:05 UTC - in response to Message 3591.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I\'ve just got an invalid v2.00 result from a G4/400 Mac that was matched with a couple of AMDs, one running Windows XP and the other Windows 2003: WU No.25743. No errors AFAICT, just failed to validate.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Ehm, 2/1 always

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                This one will be \"special\"
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                wuid=25770
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1 Mac, 1 Windows and 1 Linux
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1/1/1 : can be valid

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                but no idea why Brian\'s wu is valid
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                At last, it\'s valid !
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 3594 - Posted 18 Jul 2006 8:18:52 UTC

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  no error but invalid result --->
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  29175
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  my winxp
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 3595 - Posted 18 Jul 2006 16:13:26 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Speaking of CPU time, I had to abort this WU, because it was stuck at 2% after four days of computation and in this period it didn\'t process even one line, meanwhile some results from other projects passed the deadline. Oh, well, that\'s life of a cruncher...
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 3600 - Posted 19 Jul 2006 9:02:40 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      please check this wu:
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 3601 - Posted 19 Jul 2006 15:47:25 UTC - in response to Message 3592.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Ehm, 2/1 always

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        This one will be \"special\"
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        wuid=25770
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1 Mac, 1 Windows and 1 Linux
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1/1/1 : can be valid

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        but no idea why Brian\'s wu is valid
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        At last, it\'s valid !


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I\'m still not sure why that WU was valid. In any case, I think it\'s about time I put this project on hold and devoted the resources to other projects. I continue to see new invalid results every day because they went 2/1 against Linux boxes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        It makes absolutely no sense for anyone to devote resources to scientific computing that, in the end, will have many results being wiped out for validation reasons. In a project such as this, there is no excuse for having put \"official\" applications into a release stage without testing them first.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        We still have heard no response on which \"official\" application is producing correct results, when these problems will be fixed, and how this happened in the first place. Until things are resolved with satisfactory explanations, I will be elsewhere.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 3604 - Posted 20 Jul 2006 12:28:40 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          This WU was finished with error code -131 :(

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          It is very ugly end after more 70 hrs crunching.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 3605 - Posted 20 Jul 2006 20:13:16 UTC

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            my computer is now crunching this WU for more than 100hrs and it has aprox 7%,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            should I stop it or is there a chance of getting credits?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 3606 - Posted 20 Jul 2006 21:09:22 UTC - in response to Message 3605.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              my computer is now crunching this WU for more than 100hrs and it has aprox 7%,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              should I stop it or is there a chance of getting credits?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              It is difficult to say at present. If you abort it you almost certainly will not get any credit for a result in error. If you let it run, and it does not produce any computation error, you will claim a lot of credit for it. The project needs these long results as well as the short ones. However, by observation it seems to depend at present what other types of machine you are paired with whether you will be granted that credit. I assume yours is the hidden Mac? There is a Linux machine also crunching this, and a Windows machine had it too but it looks as if that user aborted it after about 10 hours. It hasn\'t yet been sent out again.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              My assessment would be that if another Mac eventually gets it the chances of getting credit automatically in the end would be good, if a Windows machine gets it then fair, if a Linux machine gets it then poorer (as Linux seems to produce different results to Mac & Windows at present). You could suspend processing on this WU for a few days until things get clearer, there are still more than 20 days until deadline for it. You would need to calculate if you can do the other 93% within deadline, though Adam has said that the deadlines shown with the WU do not matter a lot to the reslts at present and results returned after deadline are still likely to be accepted, though how long for wasn\'t said. This may have a bad effect on other projects that you crunch for anyway.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I would very much like to see a response soon from the Project Administrators about the state of things, these issues have been around for days now with almost no feedback on what is going on and what is going to happen. I have suspended crunching for the project until there is more information, I don\'t want to waste hundreds of hours work if the results are no good. Mike
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 3607 - Posted 20 Jul 2006 21:58:33 UTC - in response to Message 3606.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ... I assume yours is the hidden Mac? There is a Linux machine also crunching this, and a Windows machine had it too but it looks as if that user aborted it after about 10 hours. It hasn\'t yet been sent out again.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                My assessment would be that if another Mac eventually gets it the chances of getting credit automatically in the end would be good, if a Windows machine gets it then fair, if a Linux machine gets it then poorer (as Linux seems to produce different results to Mac & Windows at present). You could suspend processing on this WU for a few days until things get clearer, there are still more than 20 days until deadline for it. ... Mike

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks for your answer. Yes, I have the hidden Mac and for the Linux-machine, it seems to not to be so fast ~700Dhrytone, I assume, it will take a long time for it to crunch. So I will suspend processing for a while and look, maybe the Linux-machine will abort an there\'s a chance of getting a second \'Mac crunching.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I agree to your statement, there should be a feedback from the Administrators about \"what\'s going on\".
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Further more, with the new WU\'s I got about 20% less credits per time with the same machine. I don\'t know if it\'s the same with Linux or Windows -machines, but I think it is.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 3608 - Posted 20 Jul 2006 22:56:27 UTC

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Adam is working on the problems.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Sorry but i can\'t write more. :(
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I\'m waiting too.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 3609 - Posted 21 Jul 2006 4:27:54 UTC

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    If you take a look at this computer, I\'m wondering whether it\'s worth continuing to run SZTAKI on it:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/results.php?hostid=7286

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It\'s a PIII 500 running Fedora Core 5.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    # cat /proc/cpuinfo
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    processor : 0
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    vendor_id : GenuineIntel
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    cpu family : 6
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    model : 7
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    model name : Pentium III (Katmai)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    stepping : 3
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    cpu MHz : 498.931
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    cache size : 512 KB
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    fdiv_bug : no
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    hlt_bug : no
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    f00f_bug : no
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    coma_bug : no
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    fpu : yes
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    fpu_exception : yes
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    cpuid level : 2
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    wp : yes
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    bogomips : 998.79

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Some of the client errors were probably the fault of some recent changes being made in the setup of that computer and its LAN, but even of the seven tasks completed in the last week, two have pending credit, one received 0.41 credit, and the rest received 0.00 credit because the results didn\'t validate. I know not every result comes back bad, because the one where credit was granted was right in the middle of all these others that aren\'t validating. What\'s going on? Should I stop running SZTAKI on this and other older machines? Thanks for any information.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 3610 - Posted 21 Jul 2006 9:27:51 UTC - in response to Message 3594.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      no error but invalid result --->
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      29175
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      my winxp
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      the other two are linux
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      and such a big difference in the cpu-time
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ????

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      and here\'s another one for which that comment would apply
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 3612 - Posted 21 Jul 2006 12:17:37 UTC

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I do not understand why Adam does not close SZTAKI while he is examining the problems and for the time he needs to fix them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Currently it seems to me, that it will be nearly impossible to clean out the database and decide what is still useful and which results are damaged.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        This phase has started in a hurry and that has - even on the short run - caused a net. loss of efficiency now. Sometimes program developement goes much quicker, if you take your time and work on it calmly. Creativity under pressure is not possible.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 3613 - Posted 21 Jul 2006 17:46:18 UTC - in response to Message 3610.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          no error but invalid result --->
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          29175
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          my winxp
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          the other two are linux
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          and such a big difference in the cpu-time
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ????

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          and here\'s another one for which that comment would apply
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          And here\'s another one:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          resultid=40831

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Seems that we\'re running into the same trouble that we had before Version 1.10 in the last phase, right?
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 3614 - Posted 21 Jul 2006 21:13:05 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            My Mac G4/733, OS 10.3.9, BOINC 5.4.9, just got the following error after half an hour of crunching on WU No.4433:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Fri Jul 21 09:07:16 2006|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Unrecoverable error for result 2e44dd9a-d62e-464a-8a08-7676bbb0794b_8b74fa73-097b-4367-8e70-d6c0bc3aa7a4_1138_6 (<file_xfer_error> <file_name>2e44dd9a-d62e-464a-8a08-7676bbb0794b_8b74fa73-097b-4367-8e70-d6c0bc3aa7a4_1138_6_3</file_name> <error_code>-161</error_code></file_xfer_error>)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            It doesn\'t appear that anyone else has had any luck with this WU either--which, oddly, had only a one-week deadline when sent to me, but three weeks when sent out previously--my instance of it was the third or fourth copy resent.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 3616 - Posted 22 Jul 2006 13:24:32 UTC

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I decided to \"hang with\" Result424 when the deadlines were extended even though it was going to take a long time. (Progress was slow but steady.) It was about 90% complete and had processed for more than 220 hours when it failed (some time last night) with Exit status -177 (0xffffff4f). A note stating \"Maximum CPU time exceeded\" is listed in the \"stderr out\". Unfortunately, I didn\'t know there was a \"Maximum CPU time\" to exceed, else I might have aborted the unit last week.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 3618 - Posted 22 Jul 2006 14:14:52 UTC - in response to Message 3616.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I decided to \"hang with\" Result424 when the deadlines were extended even though it was going to take a long time. (Progress was slow but steady.) It was about 90% complete and had processed for more than 220 hours when it failed (some time last night) with Exit status -177 (0xffffff4f). A note stating \"Maximum CPU time exceeded\" is listed in the \"stderr out\". Unfortunately, I didn\'t know there was a \"Maximum CPU time\" to exceed, else I might have aborted the unit last week.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                What a disaster of a WU. Seven users have used hundreds of hours of time, and every single result has shown up in error. I hope the project takes a generous approach to these problems and grants the claimed credit for these bad WUs. Mike

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 3619 - Posted 22 Jul 2006 14:53:30 UTC - in response to Message 3618.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  While I have still this WU which my PB crunced 109hrs and is shown with more than 129hrs left, my question:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  How long is the \"Maximum CPU time\", or when get\'s a WU abortet?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I thought the deadline would be the limit.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 3620 - Posted 22 Jul 2006 15:35:58 UTC

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    28828 25117 14 Jul 2006 15:36:23 UTC 20 Jul 2006 20:10:55 UTC Over Success Done 64,180.09 148.36 0.00
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    28826 25116 14 Jul 2006 15:36:23 UTC 18 Jul 2006 15:32:56 UTC Over Success Done 62,815.09 140.31 pending

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I would really like to know, why the first WU has 0 granted credit? On time and successfull and no credit!?!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I don\'t really care about credits, it\'s the science of the projects that\'s more important. But after I read this thread I\'ll stop using STAKI because it seems to be a waste of time! No credits, invalid results and a pre alpha application with a version number 2.xx! Makes you think Microsoft sponsored this project...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I\'ll start crunching again if
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    - The application creates valid results
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    - The database is cleaned out
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    - I notice the above two

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Well, a little more CPU-resources for my other BOINC-projects and Prime95.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 3621 - Posted 22 Jul 2006 16:06:43 UTC - in response to Message 3620.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      28828 25117 14 Jul 2006 15:36:23 UTC 20 Jul 2006 20:10:55 UTC Over Success Done 64,180.09 148.36 0.00
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I would really like to know, why the first WU has 0 granted credit? On time and successfull and no credit!?!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Your group for WU 25117 contained your Windows machine and two Linux machines. The Linux application appears to produce different results to Windows, so they outvoted your result. You will note they also did this much faster. These are issues we all hope the project is addressing urgently. Mike

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        While I have still this WU which my PB crunced 109hrs and is shown with more than 129hrs left, my question:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        How long is the \"Maximum CPU time\", or when get\'s a WU abortet?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I thought the deadline would be the limit.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Not much help here, but when my computer was crunching Result424, it seemed like \"percent complete\" was a more accurate estimate than \"time left\". That is, it seemed like the \"time left\" measurement was always underestimating the actual time needed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I hope we get an answer on how \"Maximum CPU time\" is determined. Like you, I thought the deadline would be the limit.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Edit: My other host just downloaded this WU. It hasn\'t started working on it yet, but the \"time left\" estimate for it is 733:45:48. Since it\'s deadline is 8/19/2006, it may already be too late to finish it on time.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          While I have still this WU which my PB crunced 109hrs and is shown with more than 129hrs left, my question:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          How long is the \"Maximum CPU time\", or when get\'s a WU abortet?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I thought the deadline would be the limit.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Not much help here, but when my computer was crunching Result424, it seemed like \"percent complete\" was a more accurate estimate than \"time left\". That is, it seemed like the \"time left\" measurement was always underestimating the actual time needed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I hope we get an answer on how \"Maximum CPU time\" is determined. Like you, I thought the deadline would be the limit.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Edit: My other host just downloaded this WU. It hasn\'t started working on it yet, but the \"time left\" estimate for it is 733:45:48. Since it\'s deadline is 8/19/2006, it may already be too late to finish it on time.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I let the WU run for 94 minutes. Progress was stuck at 0.00% and \"To completion\" remained at 733:45:48. So, I aborted it. (I\'ve also set SZTAKI to \"No new tasks\" for the time being.)



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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            [/quote]Your group for WU 25117 contained your Windows machine and two Linux machines. The Linux application appears to produce different results to Windows, so they outvoted your result. You will note they also did this much faster. These are issues we all hope the project is addressing urgently. Mike[/quote]

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Thanks a lot. Looks like I should\'ve looked a little harder. Lets hope these issues are resolved asap. For now STAKI stays paused on my hardware.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I decided to \"hang with\" Result424 when the deadlines were extended even though it was going to take a long time. (Progress was slow but steady.) It was about 90% complete and had processed for more than 220 hours when it failed (some time last night) with Exit status -177 (0xffffff4f). A note stating \"Maximum CPU time exceeded\" is listed in the \"stderr out\". Unfortunately, I didn\'t know there was a \"Maximum CPU time\" to exceed, else I might have aborted the unit last week.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Nor did I know. I got today this WU: http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=36954

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              After 6:50 hours it has processed 0,30%. The estimated time to completion is 2272 hours, which is nearly enough to crunch a CPDN unit. The progression is steady, so I guess that the estimation is correct.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The WU will probably be finished in November. Will it still be used by then? Or will it crash after 220 hours?
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Nor did I know. I got today this WU: http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=36954

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                After 6:50 hours it has processed 0,30%. The estimated time to completion is 2272 hours, which is nearly enough to crunch a CPDN unit. The progression is steady, so I guess that the estimation is correct.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The \"Progress\" (percent complete) estimates for my WU appeared to be relatively accurate. But the \"To completion\" times were underestimated - never showed more than about 40 hours to go, even when there was more than 150 hours to go. Did your \"To completion\" time decrease at all during the 6:50 hours you have crunched on it?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The WU will probably be finished in November. Will it still be used by then? Or will it crash after 220 hours?


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yeah, but don\'t forget it also has an August 23 deadline.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The initial \"to completion time\" was 68:54:50 hours. Then it jumped to more than 3600, fell down to 1800 and then went steadily up, until I suspended the WU when I wrote the previous message. There are 1000 lines to crunch in this WU and I crunched 3 of them. If the speed stays the same, then 6:50/0.003 = 2277 hours. And if by chance I was just about to finish the 4th line before I suspended, then the job still needs 6:50/0.004 = 1708 hours.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Before setting the deadline to 4 weeks, Adam said that the deadline is not important and that WUs will still be considered after it. I don\'t know if this is still true today, but I can\'t believe that he and my 2 fellow crunchers have that much patience.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I keep the WU suspended until I get an official information by Nightbird or Adam.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Here\'s a result that got an error after over 21 hours of crunching, on an otherwise extremely reliable Mac G4/400. I don\'t mind long WUs, but I do mind being bitten by bugs. With another Mac that\'s had several errors (albeit wasting very little time on them) and half of whose \'successful\' results are coming up invalid, I think you can understand my becoming somewhat disaffected with the project. \'Adding insult to injury\', much of this wasted time has been in EDF mode, which has caused my performance on other projects to suffer.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      It\'s now been at least 10 days since the users of this project became aware of problems in either application 2.0 or 2.01. Since this time, we still have no official word on which application is wrong or what exactly is being done to rectify the situation, other than a cryptic post about it being worked on and how nothing else can be said.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        It\'s now been at least 10 days since the users of this project became aware of problems in either application 2.0 or 2.01. Since this time, we still have no official word on which application is wrong or what exactly is being done to rectify the situation, other than a cryptic post about it being worked on and how nothing else can be said.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I\'m about at my breaking point where I\'m going to leave the project never to come back. Could someone give any information on the situation? This is about as ridiculous as it gets.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Right, that sounds pretty difficult to get information.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The last information (today) :
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        A new Linux version will be released very soon.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 3646 - Posted 25 Jul 2006 22:42:32 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          But I think that the big question is : do we keep those long WUs. Are they normal or not. It will be frustrating to ear in two days \"You can remove all the running WU, we have a new app doing in 2 hours what you are busy to do in 200 hours\'.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 3647 - Posted 25 Jul 2006 23:32:40 UTC - in response to Message 3639.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            A new Linux version will be released very soon.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            All well and good but it seems the Linux version is working ok and we need a Windows version which matches it. Or is it the plan to make the new Linux version 6 times slower?
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I\'ve paused sztaki project.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I\'ve suspended it also until we know if we don\'t spent our CPU time :-(

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The error that causes most of the problems is that our machine that had a c library old enough for all the linux machines has died short before the release of 2.00. I thought that it will be ok, to release a version that is compiled on a machine that has some newer version of these libraries. It seems that I was wrong, because these machines causes most of the problems. See page 7 of my blog, for more info
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    See page 7 of my blog, for more info

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    (Adam wrote:)... I\'ll grant all the claimed credits too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Ok, but what\'s with the very long time running WU\'s on the Mac\'s and the windows-machines? Should we stop them? - is new scientific knowledge given by them, or is the time wasted though getting credits for it?
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hi there,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I\'m running a search 2.0 WU for 18 hours now, but the percentage stays at 2.000 percent. Also the time left increases second per second just like the CPU time ...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Shall I stop it or does it make sense to keep it running? I got 321 hrs left... still counting... ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 3664 - Posted 27 Jul 2006 0:46:14 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        is the problem fixed yet?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I wasted a couple of days running on tasks that showed no progress...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I\'ve suspended SZTAKI until I hear an affirmative \"yup, it\'s all better now\"...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 3668 - Posted 27 Jul 2006 7:22:45 UTC - in response to Message 3656.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Hi there,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I\'m running a search 2.0 WU for 18 hours now, but the percentage stays at 2.000 percent. Also the time left increases second per second just like the CPU time ...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Shall I stop it or does it make sense to keep it running? I got 321 hrs left... still counting... ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I can beat that! ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          One of my Mac G4/400s (the same one that got overwhelmed by a 300-hour+ WU, with a three-day deadline, a couple of weeks ago) was over 25 hours into its current WU and claiming only 0.8% done last time I checked, with an estimated completion time in January, 2008! I\'ll let it run for a couple more days to see if it gets over a \'hump\' of some kind, but I\'m not getting my hopes up ...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          On the brighter side, my 2.6-GHz WinXP/AMD system recently earned over five hundred cobblestones for a 61-hour WU, indicating that it can be worthwhile to let the long ones run--sometimes at least.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 3674 - Posted 27 Jul 2006 17:53:24 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            OK folks, maybe this could help a little:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Adam\'s words

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 3676 - Posted 27 Jul 2006 19:22:10 UTC - in response to Message 3674.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              FAQ!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              good choke,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              but where can I find them in english?


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 3677 - Posted 27 Jul 2006 20:05:17 UTC - in response to Message 3676.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                FAQ!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                good choke,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                but where can I find them in english?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                On the home page, choose the little english flag and click again on the \"Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)\"

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 3678 - Posted 27 Jul 2006 20:59:57 UTC - in response to Message 3677.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ...
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  good choke,
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  On the home page, choose the little english flag and click again on the \"Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)\"


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Sorry, I was so very sure that when I choose the Union Jack first, the link to the FAQs would lead to the english ones too. Well, a closer look to the URL would have been the right choice to avoid that mistake. :-(
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Another long WU, although not as spectacular as the one I mentioned upthread, has another of my Macs in EDF mode; after a little over 48 hours of CPU time it says it\'s 1.4% done, the estimated remaining time being over 700 hours and rising. At the moment it looks like it will miss the deadline (21 August) but again I\'m hoping this \'early\' estimate will turn out to be pessimistic.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 3682 - Posted 28 Jul 2006 10:40:33 UTC - in response to Message 3678.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sorry, I was so very sure that when I choose the Union Jack first, the link to the FAQs would lead to the english ones too. Well, a closer look to the URL would have been the right choice to avoid that mistake. :-(


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      for me too, I\'ve just updated my Browser FF->1.5.0.5 before, so while I followed your link, the Browser did\'nt remember the language, because the session was started new. :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      But some questions still remain, so what\'s about the WU\'s with very long time estimated? - are there a limit like max CPU-time? (with long time, I mean more than 1000h remaining, - calculated from \"time crunched\" / \"percentage crunched\").




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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        There still could be a few WUs that has a close deadline, if your client enters EDF mode because of them, you can cancel it...slowly these will disappear and only WUs with a 1 month deadline remains.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Plodding along steadily at 0.1% progress every half-hour on a WU with a one month deadline. So that\'s 1% every five hours. Or a total of 500 hours crunching this one WU. 500 hours divided by 168 hours in a week equals three weeks. But wait a minute: I only have this computer switched on for 10 hours per day. And it is also crunching SETI, Einstein and Rosetta. So only about one hour per day is assigned to SZTAKI. So this WU won\'t be completed for 500 days.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Abort?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          This computer, a Mac G5, used to crunch the previous generation of WUs (10th, 11th dimension?) in about 15-35 minutes each. Seems rather too big a jump to have gone to 500 hours. Unless it will suddenly jump to 30% completed or something? Might that happen?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 3722 - Posted 2 Aug 2006 20:12:09 UTC - in response to Message 3656.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Hi there,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I\'m running a search 2.0 WU for 18 hours now, but the percentage stays at 2.000 percent. Also the time left increases second per second just like the CPU time ...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Shall I stop it or does it make sense to keep it running? I got 321 hrs left... still counting... ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Hey, everything is running still fine here... Got more than 50hrs crunched and as predicted also the percentage jumped once.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            So I\'ll keep it running :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2006. aug. 1.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              New linux version (2.03) has been installed to overcome the problems around the linux platform. Resume computation, please!


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Should people, using other platforms, (macintosh or windows), also suspend the WU\'s when it has send to an Linux-machine too?


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                you shouldn\'t abort these WU\'s. The problem of other platforms failed to validate against linux boxes have been solved by linux version 2.03. Hopefully, all the linux boxes have already downloaded this version.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yet another monster WU on which to comment, I\'m afraid. 59 hrs. with 8.2% completed so far, 1811 hrs. to go, according to the program. Somehow I doubt that it will finish before 1 Sept. when it is due. Should I continue to run it anyway? I\'ll continue regardless of credit if it\'s worthwhile.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Finally, something fairly positive to report: my G4/733 just finished a long WU without errors, nearly a fortnight of it done in panic mode. For 292 hours of crunching it\'s claiming 855 cobblestones--I just hope it validates! One other result from that WU has already been returned by a WinXP/Celeron system, and there have been problems in the past with validation between platforms. Moreover the third result will miss its deadline if it doesn\'t get submitted in the next couple of days, so the quorum may not be met.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    On the downside, one of my G4/400s has got another monster WU, which is now halfway to its deadline and showing only 1.8% done. If I have to kill that one, it will be the second time on that system, which has only managed to return 7.77 credits\' worth of valid work in the past couple of months, despite having devoted several hundred hours to the project over that time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    My Win98/Celeron has been working on a long WU for a couple of days, and it\'s making fair progress, nearly 5% done. BOINC will probably start pre-empting other projects fairly soon, but unless it encounters a \'slow patch\' it shouldn\'t have too much trouble with the deadline.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hi there,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I\'m running a search 2.0 WU for 18 hours now, but the percentage stays at 2.000 percent. Also the time left increases second per second just like the CPU time ...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Shall I stop it or does it make sense to keep it running? I got 321 hrs left... still counting... ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hey, everything is running still fine here... Got more than 50hrs crunched and as predicted also the percentage jumped once.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      So I\'ll keep it running :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Well, after more than 130hrs the WU aborted... Too bad, after everything seemed to run well. So many credits lost :(

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Now I\'ll better focus on other projects :(

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        My Win98 system just had an error after nearly 240 hours of crunching, about one-third of the way through WU No.38966:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        <message> - exit code -1073741819 (0xc0000005) </message> [...] ***UNHANDLED EXCEPTION**** Reason: Access Violation (0xc0000005) at address 0x0042F5D8 read attempt to address 0x086CF530 Exiting...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Nobody else got anywhere with that one--but they got their errors immediately instead of wasting a fortnight\'s work.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          That is the old Einstein v4.79 \"Graphics Bug\" error - usually indicative of an old graphics card driver, an out of date DirectX and/or memory problems. Since SZTAKI doesn\'t have a screensaver, the first two don\'t seem very likely. Maybe your computer is beginning to have heat problems.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          BTW: I thought you were on vacation. ;-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 4164 - Posted 30 Sep 2006 8:35:48 UTC - in response to Message 3743.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            you shouldn\'t abort these WU\'s. The problem of other platforms failed to validate against linux boxes have been solved by linux version 2.03. Hopefully, all the linux boxes have already downloaded this version.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Hi,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            <a href=\"http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=7152\">workunit 7152</a> shows that one windows host validated against a linux box with version 2.03, my windows result was delivered back as successful but marked as invalid. I got no credits (sigh) and there is just a quorum of two results now.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            What is the reason for this?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              That is the old Einstein v4.79 \"Graphics Bug\" error - usually indicative of an old graphics card driver, an out of date DirectX and/or memory problems. Since SZTAKI doesn\'t have a screensaver, the first two don\'t seem very likely. Maybe your computer is beginning to have heat problems.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Possibly; it’s never been particularly stable. But it hasn’t had an error on S@h or E@h for months, and it does run their screensavers (for just a minute before ‘blacking out’).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              BTW: I thought you were on vacation. ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Indeed I was; I posted that message just before I left.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Since septembre 15 no calculation was recorded on my account, is this a problem of version? Then calculation are very long, more than 60 hours? I d\'nt have error message
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I am joining the ranks of those suspending this project.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Let me know when you fix the bug that makes the completion time go up while the percentage complete stays constant, instead of the other way around. Then I\'ll resume donating my CPU time.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Since septembre 15 no calculation was recorded on my account, is this a problem of version? Then calculation are very long, more than 60 hours? I d\'nt have error message

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    - quorum here is = 3
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    In short : no quorum, no credit
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    - yes, wus can be very long, more 60 hours

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      your result problem is strange, I\'ll investigate it some more...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      For the ones, who are suspending: a new version will be released soon, but it won\'t solve the error of the runtime, since it\'s not an error. We can only make assumtions on how long a given WU will run. However, we\'ll try to come up with something that satisfies more of you...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        your result problem is strange, I\'ll investigate it some more...


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Thank you ... i have a few other wus pending that are waiting for other hosts to return their results. I am curious to see what happens to them (the results, not the hosts :-).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Here is another result where that happened (without linux boxes involved):
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        <a href=\"http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=2866\">http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=2866</a>

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Maybe one clue i thought about ... my host looses heartbeat fairly often (that is why i have to abort some wus, because they always fall back to the last checkpoint [or line] and never proceed if the time to the next checkpoint [or line] is too long). But then i saw other hosts loosing heartbeat as well and they were credited with a high amount even with linux involved, heres one example:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        <a href=\"http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=6798\">http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=6798</a>

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        In both examples the same <a href=\"http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/results.php?hostid=148648\">host (148648)</a> is involved.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Femue,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          your result problem is strange, I\'ll investigate it some more...


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Thank you ... i have a few other wus pending that are waiting for other hosts to return their results. I am curious to see what happens to them (the results, not the hosts :-).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Here is another result where that happened (without linux boxes involved):
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          <a href=\"http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=2866\">http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=2866</a>

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Maybe one clue i thought about ... my host looses heartbeat fairly often (that is why i have to abort some wus, because they always fall back to the last checkpoint [or line] and never proceed if the time to the next checkpoint [or line] is too long). But then i saw other hosts loosing heartbeat as well and they were credited with a high amount even with linux involved, heres one example:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          <a href=\"http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=6798\">http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=6798</a>


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          My understanding is that loosing heartbeat is supposed to result in a checkpoint being created, and the application exiting. However, since that is dependent on the application, not the BOINC client, it may not be programmed to checkpoint. In any case, all applications are supposed to checkpoint every 60sec by default. Thus, all that is lost is the computing time until the application gets rescheduled. Please correct me if I am wrong.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I recently had this issue as well. All three computers were XP boxes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Work Unit 6666. My result ID 19997. It shows success, but also claims it is Invalid.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I can accept Invalid if the reason for the invalidation was clear.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              My understanding is that loosing heartbeat is supposed to result in a checkpoint being created, and the application exiting. However, since that is dependent on the application, not the BOINC client, it may not be programmed to checkpoint. In any case, all applications are supposed to checkpoint every 60sec by default. Thus, all that is lost is the computing time until the application gets rescheduled. Please correct me if I am wrong.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I\'m not remembering exactly what the heartbeat is for, but I\'m pretty sure it\'s not to trigger a checkpoint.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              And sciences apps don\'t have to checkpoint every minute. That\'s the time interval where they can write to disc if a checkpoint has been created.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              For example, Rosetta checkpoints at the end of each new model produced.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                My understanding is that loosing heartbeat is supposed to result in a checkpoint being created, and the application exiting. However, since that is dependent on the application, not the BOINC client, it may not be programmed to checkpoint. In any case, all applications are supposed to checkpoint every 60sec by default. Thus, all that is lost is the computing time until the application gets rescheduled. Please correct me if I am wrong.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I\'m not remembering exactly what the heartbeat is for, but I\'m pretty sure it\'s not to trigger a checkpoint.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                And sciences apps don\'t have to checkpoint every minute. That\'s the time interval where they can write to disc if a checkpoint has been created.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                For example, Rosetta checkpoints at the end of each new model produced.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                If Science Apps don\'t checkpoint often, then data is lost. One hopes that SZTAKI Grid is checkpointing reasonably often (ie, every few minutes, and certainly at least every 30 Minutes). If not, and they don\'t allow BOINC to schedule when BOINC wants to (as opposed to when the application wants to), then lots of computation will be lost. Any BOINC-controlled client that behaves this way is not BOINC compliant, and shouldn\'t be claiming to be and misusing our computation resources.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The heartbeat is a regular message from the BOINC client to every application it is running to tell them it is still alive. If a process doesn\'t recieve a heartbeat within a certain time (30sec, from memory), it is supposed to save its state and exit. Sometimes when BOINC is downloading or rescheduling, it may not be able to finish in time to send out its heartbeat. One or more controlled applications may then exit, and it is up to BOINC to reschedule them. I have this happen several times a day on my Macintosh G4. Since it is now running in deadline mode on two SZTAKI WUs, I sure hope that they aren\'t starting from a very distant (in time) checkpoint every time this happens.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Thus, a missed heartbeat should be treated the same as a reschedule command, and the state should be saved. If it isn\'t, then the controlled application is not BOINC compatible and should not be misusing our resources.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Incidently, BOINC-controlled applications should also be well-behaved: they shouldn\'t crash and they shouldn\'t go into infinite loops or infinite (or exceedingly large) depths of recursion, because they then don\'t respond properly to BOINC heartbeats or reschedule commands.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I get the feeling that SZTAKI Desktop Grid is recursing to deep levels, and may even be overflowing the 32-bit memory space of stacks on older architectures. That would certainly explain why some computations crash, why some seem to be spinning, and why some get wrong answers. I would be interested to read about the theoretical basis for the computational sieve used in this program, and about the numerical algorithms being used to make the computation on a finite machine. Is this information readily available?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  My Mac G5 just went into EDF mode—it was only a matter of time, as it downloaded 47 WUs on attaching to the project, estimating them at just over an hour each; now BOINC Manager is showing over fifty hours each for the queued tasks. But meanwhile it has returned a couple of hundred-liners that were validated (‘short’ ones, I guess: CPU times of 2.3 h & 6.7 h), against Intel and AMD systems yet! As I mentioned before, I’ve been ‘highgrading’ the tasks in my queue, suspending those that don’t show successful results from anyone else, so those that miss the 19 October deadline will have minimal impact on other users.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  This host’s pending credit is currently around 1400; some of those results took a long time, and show errors from others, so I’m rather pessimistic about their validation prospects. But it’s nice to see a bit of progress being made …

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 4229 - Posted 8 Oct 2006 2:23:45 UTC - in response to Message 4222.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I get the feeling that SZTAKI Desktop Grid is recursing to deep levels, and may even be overflowing the 32-bit memory space of stacks on older architectures. That would certainly explain why some computations crash, why some seem to be spinning, and why some get wrong answers. I would be interested to read about the theoretical basis for the computational sieve used in this program, and about the numerical algorithms being used to make the computation on a finite machine. Is this information readily available?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I have just reread the details of the project. The implication is that it finished in December 2005, on the basis of the Results page, so maybe we are doing something different now. If not, then we are busy calculaing characteristic polynomials. I believe that there is considerable literature on stable algorithms to compute such polynomials. So, my comment above reduces to: has the literature on numberical computation of charactaristic polynomials been researched, and are the best of these being used?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I recently had this issue as well. All three computers were XP boxes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Work Unit 6666. My result ID 19997. It shows success, but also claims it is Invalid.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I can accept Invalid if the reason for the invalidation was clear.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      That\'s cool. No answer for three days. Not even a, \"Hey, we\'ll check into that for you.\"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      That\'s fine. Drop.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 4235 - Posted 9 Oct 2006 20:12:50 UTC - in response to Message 4232.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I recently had this issue as well. All three computers were XP boxes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Work Unit 6666. My result ID 19997. It shows success, but also claims it is Invalid.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I can accept Invalid if the reason for the invalidation was clear.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        That\'s cool. No answer for three days. Not even a, \"Hey, we\'ll check into that for you.\"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        That\'s fine. Drop.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I can\'t answer for the admin.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 4238 - Posted 10 Oct 2006 0:33:42 UTC - in response to Message 4229.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I get the feeling that SZTAKI Desktop Grid is recursing to deep levels, and may even be overflowing the 32-bit memory space of stacks on older architectures. That would certainly explain why some computations crash, why some seem to be spinning, and why some get wrong answers. I would be interested to read about the theoretical basis for the computational sieve used in this program, and about the numerical algorithms being used to make the computation on a finite machine. Is this information readily available?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I have just reread the details of the project. The implication is that it finished in December 2005, on the basis of the Results page, so maybe we are doing something different now. If not, then we are busy calculaing characteristic polynomials. I believe that there is considerable literature on stable algorithms to compute such polynomials. So, my comment above reduces to: has the literature on numberical computation of charactaristic polynomials been researched, and are the best of these being used?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The WU on my Athlon Duo running Windows XP Pro timed out last night. I had a look at the error messages. It appears that checkpointing is very primative: it just restarts a line that it has been working on. Not too good. No wonder there is no progress. Am I wrong (I hope)?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          As these WUs time out, there will be no more downloading of new WUs until I hear some answers to my questions. I will be reposting this message to Adam\'s page, in case he isn\'t monitoring: I can imagine that he is pretty busy.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I have 11 Search 2.00 WUs of which the first have been going for over 10 hours, progress is 0% and still over 7 hours to go (which was the innitial \'To Completion\' time). I suspended all WUs now to find out if I should abort? I don\'t get any error messages.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Tobie,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              to find out more about progress of a wu: you can look in the BOINC-Directory on your hard disk, find the slot where SZTAKI is running (something with a search....exe in it) and there is a file called stderr.txt. Open it with a text editor. If it is not empty you may see something like this:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Initialized: Lines to process 2
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Starting with line 1
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: boinc_lockfile
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: dc-api.conf
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: dc_ckpt_out
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: dc_clientlog.txt
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: dc_stderr.txt
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: dc_stdout.txt
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: in.txt
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: init_data.xml
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: msvcp71.dll
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: msvcr71.dll
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: out.txt
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: search_2.00_windows_intelx86.exe
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              No heartbeat from core client for 31 sec - exiting
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Initialized: Lines to process 2
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Restarting from checkpoint: Lines processed so far 1
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Restarting line 1
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: boinc_lockfile
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: dc-api.conf
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: dc_ckpt_36
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Initialized: Lines to process 2
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Restarting from checkpoint: Lines processed so far 1
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Restarting line 1
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: boinc_lockfile
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: dc-api.conf
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: dc_ckpt_60
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: dc_ckpt_out
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: dc_clientlog.txt
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: dc_lastckpt
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: dc_stderr.txt
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: dc_stdout.txt
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: in.txt
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: init_data.xml
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: msvcp71.dll
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: msvcr71.dll
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: out.txt
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: search_2.00_windows_intelx86.exe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: stderr.txt
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Initialized: Lines to process 2
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Restarting from checkpoint: Lines processed so far 1
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Restarting line 1
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              then your wu keeps restarting over and over and never makes progress.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              When I see this too often, I abort the wu (makes no sense to keep on crunching the wu on that host).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              If the line numers are increasing

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Initialized: Lines to process 100
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Starting with line 1
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: boinc_lockfile
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: dc-api.conf
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: dc_ckpt_out
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: dc_clientlog.txt
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: stderr.txt
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: stdout.txt
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              No heartbeat from core client for 31 sec - exiting
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Initialized: Lines to process 100
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Restarting from checkpoint: Lines processed so far 15
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Restarting line 15
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: boinc_lockfile
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: stdout.txt
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              No heartbeat from core client for 31 sec - exiting
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Initialized: Lines to process 100
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Restarting from checkpoint: Lines processed so far 40
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Restarting line 40
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: boinc_lockfile
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: dc_ckpt_254
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: stderr.txt
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: stdout.txt
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Initialized: Lines to process 100
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Restarting from checkpoint: Lines processed so far 43
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Restarting line 43
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scan: boinc_lockfile
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              the wu is worth to be crunched until the end.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              If stderr is empty then I do not know ;-) - maybe then you have caught a very long wu.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I think this also shows that gwg is right about checkpointing:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ... It appears that checkpointing is very primative: it just restarts a line that it has been working on. Not too good. No wonder there is no progress. ...


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              If you abort one wu you may be more lucky with the others. Of eight wus I crunched recently I had to abort two due to no visible progress (always falling back to line 1 - see above).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Cheers
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              [edit]Fixed typos, added information[/edit]

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 4254 - Posted 10 Oct 2006 18:08:16 UTC - in response to Message 4249.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Last modified: 10 Oct 2006 18:23:20 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                then your wu keeps restarting over and over and never makes progress.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                If the line numers are increasing ... the wu is worth to be crunched until the end.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ... It appears that checkpointing is very primative: it just restarts a line that it has been working on. Not too good. No wonder there is no progress. ...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                According to my experience, checkpointing is not primitive. I am now processing a WU with 5 lines. After more than 116 hours it is at 80%, which is an average of 29 hours per line. I have to shut down my PC every morning at more or less the same time, so I could never finish this WU if the program fell back to the start of a line. Here is an extract of my file, where you can see that the program had to start twice after the third line. Nevertheless later on it had finished the fourth line. This is for me the proof that it does not fall back to the start of a line, but does go on where it was at the last checkpoint (unless if during the second attempt to crunch line 4, the processor was much faster???). Maybe the expression \"Restarting line 3\" could lead to a different interpretation. My conclusion: I am very happy with the checkpointing system.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Initialized: Lines to process 5
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Restarting from checkpoint: Lines processed so far 3
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Restarting line 3
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                scan: boinc_lockfile
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                scan: dc-api.conf
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                scan: dc_ckpt_263
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                scan: stderr.txt
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                scan: stdout.txt
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Initialized: Lines to process 5
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Restarting from checkpoint: Lines processed so far 3
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Restarting line 3
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                scan: boinc_lockfile
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                scan: dc-api.conf
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                scan: dc_ckpt_257
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Initialized: Lines to process 5
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Restarting from checkpoint: Lines processed so far 4
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Restarting line 4

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 4257 - Posted 10 Oct 2006 18:50:14 UTC - in response to Message 4254.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Last modified: 10 Oct 2006 19:15:31 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  then your wu keeps restarting over and over and never makes progress.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  If the line numers are increasing ... the wu is worth to be crunched until the end.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ... It appears that checkpointing is very primative: it just restarts a line that it has been working on. Not too good. No wonder there is no progress. ...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  According to my experience, checkpointing is not primitive. I am now processing a WU with 5 lines. After more than 116 hours it is at 80%, which is an average of 29 hours per line. I have to shut down my PC every morning at more or less the same time, so I could never finish this WU if the program fell back to the start of a line. Here is an extract of my file, where you can see that the program had to start twice after the third line. Nevertheless later on it had finished the fourth line. This is for me the proof that it does not fall back to the start of a line, but does go on where it was at the last checkpoint (unless if during the second attempt to crunch line 4, the processor was much faster???). Maybe the expression \"Restarting line 3\" could lead to a different interpretation. My conclusion: I am very happy with the checkpointing system.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Hello Robert,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I would like to be proven wrong. The expression \"Restarting line ...\" really led me to my opinion.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  My conclusion at the moment is: because I keep loosing heartbeat about every 2-5 hours I think i can never reach the next line on a wu where the crunching of a single line takes longer than that, and in fact i never did :-(

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Maybe we can have an official statement on that? If I am wrong [I have no nerve to test this out atm] I would not abort any more wus after a few lost heartbeats in the same line - so i would not dump the earned credits, too ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Cheers
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  [edit]

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Just saw: this message changes (the number is sometimes up, sometimes down, sometimes the same even in the same line of a wu):

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  scan: dc_ckpt_263
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  scan: dc_ckpt_257
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  But what does this mean? Recursion level in that line?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  [/edit]

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 4259 - Posted 10 Oct 2006 19:30:13 UTC - in response to Message 4257.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Last modified: 10 Oct 2006 19:31:08 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    My conclusion at the moment is: because I keep loosing heartbeat about every 2-5 hours I think i can never reach the next line on a wu where the crunching of a single line takes longer than that, and in fact i never did :-(

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I\'m glad that I don\'t know this problem with loosing heartbeat. I just get from time to time the message \"exited with zero status but no \'finished\' file; if this happens repeatedly you may need to reset the project\". But as I never get problems due to this, I don\'t need to bother. Same with climateprediction.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    An official statement with checkpoints would indeed by welcome.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    scan: dc_ckpt_263
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    scan: dc_ckpt_257
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    But what does this mean? Recursion level in that line?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    This is the number of checkpoint files that I create, starting from 1 after every restart of the system. I create a checkpoint every 5 minutes, which means that my system was running for 1315 and 1285 minutes, respectively (approximately 22 hours a day).


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 4310 - Posted 15 Oct 2006 11:24:29 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      After 41h45m04s and 20% done, this is the stderr messages.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Should I continue with this WU? Will the other 10 complete?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I really don\'t want to waste this CPU time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Initialized: Lines to process 5
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Starting with line 1
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      scan: stdout.txt
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Initialized: Lines to process 5
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Restarting from checkpoint: Lines processed so far 1
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Restarting line 1
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      scan: boinc_lockfile
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      scan: dc-api.conf
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Initialized: Lines to process 5
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Restarting from checkpoint: Lines processed so far 1
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Restarting line 1
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Initialized: Lines to process 5
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Restarting from checkpoint: Lines processed so far 1
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Restarting line 1
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Initialized: Lines to process 5
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Restarting from checkpoint: Lines processed so far 1
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Restarting line 1
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Initialized: Lines to process 5
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Restarting from checkpoint: Lines processed so far 1
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Restarting line 1
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Initialized: Lines to process 5
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 4314 - Posted 15 Oct 2006 12:41:31 UTC - in response to Message 4310.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        After 41h45m04s and 20% done, this is the stderr messages.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Should I continue with this WU? Will the other 10 complete?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The risk is that you might run over the maximum CPU time which is somewhere around the 230 hours mark, depending on your system. It is not possible to predict the length of the remaining 4 lines from the length of the first one. But since you created already many checkpoints after completion of the first line, I guess that you are not far away from the 40%-mark and that your WU will need approximately 120 hours CPU time. I think that you have a very good chance to finish it in time. If I were you, I would go on with it and not loose the 41 hours CPU. But I cannot promise that it will work.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Concerning the other WUs, it is impossible to predict. This WU of yours was crunched by someone else in 91 seconds. Just do what you can, and after the deadline abort those that you couldn\'t finish.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 4320 - Posted 15 Oct 2006 23:42:27 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Those permanent restarts at line 1 do not sound too correct. Two things to check maybe :

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Disable the BOINC directory with all its subdirectories for beeing scanned by a virus scanner

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Make sure to have \"Leave applications in memory while preempted?\" set to yes in the general preferences.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 4321 - Posted 15 Oct 2006 23:48:52 UTC - in response to Message 4320.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Those permanent restarts at line 1 do not sound too correct.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Considering possible linguistic issues, is the app really restarting (from the beginning of the line), or just resuming (from a checkpoint)?
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 4323 - Posted 16 Oct 2006 2:55:42 UTC - in response to Message 4314.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I think that you have a very good chance to finish it in time. If I were you, I would go on with it and not loose the 41 hours CPU. But I cannot promise that it will work.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I will continue with the WUs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              This WU of yours was crunched by someone else in 91 seconds. Just do what you can, and after the deadline abort those that you couldn\'t finish.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I completed this workunit in 3037 seconds.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I changed so that workunits are left in memory.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 4355 - Posted 17 Oct 2006 18:33:06 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Six WUs have completed between 1 and 10 hrs, but no credits granted yet. Still waiting for others to finish. What happens if one or two of the other users don\'t complete the WUs ... will we still get credit?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Some WUs have 10 lines. Does this mean they will take much longer than ones with 5 lines?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The WU I mentioned earlier is now at 63 hrs and another at 14 hrs and time to complete still increasing. When should the time to complete start decreasing?
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 4360 - Posted 18 Oct 2006 2:41:09 UTC - in response to Message 4355.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  What happens if one or two of the other users don\'t complete the WUs ... will we still get credit?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Replacement WUs will be issued. We get credit as soon as the quorum = 3 is met.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Some WUs have 10 lines. Does this mean they will take much longer than ones with 5 lines?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Probably not. The longer the guessed processing time per line, the fewer there will be lines in a WU to compensate for this.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The WU I mentioned earlier is now at 63 hrs and another at 14 hrs and time to complete still increasing. When should the time to complete start decreasing?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Don\'t look at the completion time. It simply doesn\'t work under Boinc (and under the new Boinc version it is even worse than under the previous one). During the processing of a line the program cannot know its progression as it is \"lost\" in deep recursion processing. So it thinks that the time spent on this is due to the processing of previous lines. During the processing of a line the completion time always rises slowly and at the end af the processing of a line it suddenly decreases sharply, after which it starts rising again, and so on. You can get a rough estimation by figuring out yourself the completion time on the basis of the finished lines. But this works only with relatively large WUs (at least 10 lines). For smaller WUs the result is too unpredictable. The extreme situation is a WU with 1 line, where the completion time rises constantly and only at the very end drops to 0%.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 4441 - Posted 23 Oct 2006 13:55:22 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    My one WU gave an error after 134hrs 27min 01sec .... ah well, guess all this time wasted.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Another one on 76hrs are 20% done ...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    23/10/06 15:54:07 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Aborting task 1a9d6387-6dd8-4e3d-a31c-ae75a2daaf6d_297930df-0479-45e1-b463-0a3808d9be08_2222_1: exceeded CPU time limit 484014.584173
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    23/10/06 15:54:07 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Unrecoverable error for result 1a9d6387-6dd8-4e3d-a31c-ae75a2daaf6d_297930df-0479-45e1-b463-0a3808d9be08_2222_1 (Maximum CPU time exceeded)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    23/10/06 15:54:07 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Deferring scheduler requests for 1 minutes and 0 seconds
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    23/10/06 15:54:13 PM||Rescheduling CPU: application exited
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    23/10/06 15:54:13 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Computation for task 1a9d6387-6dd8-4e3d-a31c-ae75a2daaf6d_297930df-0479-45e1-b463-0a3808d9be08_2222_1 finished
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    23/10/06 15:54:14 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Restarting task 1a9d6387-6dd8-4e3d-a31c-ae75a2daaf6d_a0983aa5-70b3-4ebe-a360-14ac9525e749_2224_2 using search version 200
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    23/10/06 15:54:16 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Started upload of file 1a9d6387-6dd8-4e3d-a31c-ae75a2daaf6d_297930df-0479-45e1-b463-0a3808d9be08_2222_1_2
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    23/10/06 15:54:16 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Started upload of file 1a9d6387-6dd8-4e3d-a31c-ae75a2daaf6d_297930df-0479-45e1-b463-0a3808d9be08_2222_1_3
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    23/10/06 15:54:20 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Finished upload of file 1a9d6387-6dd8-4e3d-a31c-ae75a2daaf6d_297930df-0479-45e1-b463-0a3808d9be08_2222_1_3
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    23/10/06 15:54:20 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Throughput 107 bytes/sec
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    23/10/06 15:54:23 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Throughput 1116 bytes/sec

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