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Message 3934 - Posted 7 Sep 2006 12:00:34 UTC

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    I keep hearing, you can cancel long WU\'s and that shorter WU\'s are available, or should be available, but what is considered a reasonable time for a shorter WU. Every WU I have received recently has said it will take 72 hrs to complete. Those that I have allowed to run have just gone up from there. So can anyone tell me what a short WU should report as it\'s length when it downloads, or at least the date and time that the first short WU was created?
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    Message 4001 - Posted 15 Sep 2006 21:07:46 UTC

      I\'m also seeing long, long work unit completion times even though my machine states completion time of 49min, 52sec.

      Currently the WU being crunched is at 4hr 3min at 50 percent progress, with completion time at 2hr 14min and climbing by one second for every two seconds of processing
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      Message 4004 - Posted 16 Sep 2006 4:50:30 UTC


        I\'ve had a similar experience. Finally aborted at 10 hrs + of CPU time, still 50% complete and time to completion 6 hrs and rising.....





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        Message 4005 - Posted 16 Sep 2006 5:04:50 UTC - in response to Message 4001.

          Same here. My Mac downloaded a bunch of workunits this morning with estimated completion times of 14 minutes 47 seconds. After crunching 5 hours and 55 minutes on the first one, it says 0.000% complete.

          I\'m also seeing long, long work unit completion times even though my machine states completion time of 49min, 52sec.

          Currently the WU being crunched is at 4hr 3min at 50 percent progress, with completion time at 2hr 14min and climbing by one second for every two seconds of processing


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          Message 4006 - Posted 16 Sep 2006 5:51:55 UTC - in response to Message 4005.

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            I think you are misunderstanding how it works. Firstly, the estimated To Completion time is based on the length of the previous series of WUs. These estimates will improve with time but, for now, you are best to completely ignore them. Secondly, the Progress does not update in a linear fashion. It updates in steps as each line of the WU finishes crunching. Thus if the WU only has two lines, the progress will show as 0% up to the halfway point, then 50% until it finishes.

            Finally aborted at 10 hrs + of CPU time, still 50% complete and time to completion 6 hrs and rising.....

            No need to abort. It would probably have finished within another 3 hours. The To Completion is wrong and best ignored.

            My Mac downloaded a bunch of workunits this morning with estimated completion times of 14 minutes 47 seconds. After crunching 5 hours and 55 minutes on the first one, it says 0.000% complete.

            Same here. It is not an error, it is just how it works with this project. After almost 8 hours it ticked over to 50%. I am expecting it will finish soon after a total crunch time of 15-16 hours.

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            Message 4010 - Posted 16 Sep 2006 10:24:54 UTC


              I think it would be very important for the future of this worthwhile project (and in order to keep it\'s crunchers base) that Adam makes a clarifying statement on the news page. Climate prediction wus take a real long time, but nobody is having a problem with this, since we know that this is the way they work.
              Here we always had nicely short wus and suddenly they are not finishing after 10 or 20 hours. If I understand it right, the time to completion won\'t show up correctly mainly because:

              - it is based on the old estimates from the short wus (potentially giving me an overload of wus i won\'t finish in time)
              - the progressbar jumps in a non linear way, i.e. from 0% to 100% if there is one \"step\" to calculate, from 0% to 50% to 100% if there are two \"steps\" etc.

              I would thus, in addition to the plea to make a statement on the news page, have two questions:

              1) Is there a way to guess ourselves from the completion time for one \"step\" the total amount of time neeeded to finish the wu. As a simple example: if 50% take 10 hours, does the wu take 20h, or can the two \"steps\" have a different duration?

              2) I have a wu in progress which crunches since 20 hours and shows 10%. Does this mean that the next step will be 20%, thus the wu having 10 \"steps\"?

              I hope these questions and statements help the project as well as us to understand what is going on on the crunchers\' as well as the project\'s side.
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              Message 4013 - Posted 16 Sep 2006 10:51:54 UTC


                My apologies if my decision to abort a WU that took 10hrs to reach 50% with no sign of when it would actually finish seemed a bit hasty.

                As you can see, I do crunch a number of other projects where the WUs range from the very short (Leiden - some are just 20mins) to the slightly longer ones (CPDN - at the moment I have run a Sulphur WU for 763 CPU hrs. It is 58% complete.)



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                Message 4014 - Posted 16 Sep 2006 11:08:14 UTC - in response to Message 4013.


                  My apologies if my decision to abort a WU that took 10hrs to reach 50% with no sign of when it would actually finish seemed a bit hasty.

                  No apology needed. We are all working in the dark here. The \'second half\' of the 2-line WU I am crunching is taking way longer than the first half. So much so in fact, that I am now beginning to wonder if it isn\'t stuck in a loop. So I quite understand your decision to bail out of your WU.

                  I do hope Adam makes the time to reply to B-Roy\'s excellent post in this thread.

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                  Message 4018 - Posted 16 Sep 2006 15:47:32 UTC

                    My post here is somewhat of a ramble, so forgive me.

                    I\'m hesitant to crunch on this project for the moment. I\'m sure that will change. My problem is that I\'m not confident that *any* WU will complete. I\'m getting emails from others, most of whom are at best confused.

                    If there are two steps in a WU (for example), is there a way to have the progress still increment by at least 10% values? It might be a hassle to program, but it would really be nice feedback.

                    Trouble is, we\'re in a bad spot confidence-wise: we\'ve had long WUs recently which we were told to abort. Now, some of us are not sure that even 20 hours would actually be successful, and that\'s too long to gamble. I\'m currently running SAP on two machines, so it\'s not the number of hours that bugs me.

                    It\'s the thought that my 20 hours (or 100, who knows) would be better put on SAP because I\'m confident that WU will finish.

                    I guess I\'m trying to write that it\'s a perception thing; If adam has test crunched some WUs and he can estimate that it will complete successfully in 30 hours, then I\'ll risk it.

                    If that certainty isn\'t here yet, I\'ll just keep reading and return in a week. No biggie, I wouldn\'t leave a project where the admin has been very active. That kind of feedback makes this project better than many.

                    I just want that feedback from my WU progress indicator too :)

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                    Message 4026 - Posted 17 Sep 2006 20:07:57 UTC

                      Short seems more long that we expected. Have you noticed that the word \"short\" is longer that the word \"long\" ;-)

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                      Message 4029 - Posted 17 Sep 2006 23:58:11 UTC - in response to Message 4006.


                        My Mac downloaded a bunch of workunits this morning with estimated completion times of 14 minutes 47 seconds. After crunching 5 hours and 55 minutes on the first one, it says 0.000% complete.

                        Same here. It is not an error, it is just how it works with this project. After almost 8 hours it ticked over to 50%. I am expecting it will finish soon after a total crunch time of 15-16 hours.
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                        This same workunit (the 5 hour 55 minute one) has now been crunching 12 hours and 42 minutes and says 10% complete. I\'ll keep letting it crunch, but because the machine downloaded so many workunits (thinking they would take 14 mintues), there will be a lot of work units I\'ll have to abort when they get past their reporting deadline. :(

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                        Message 4032 - Posted 18 Sep 2006 1:13:38 UTC - in response to Message 4006.

                          After almost 8 hours it ticked over to 50%. I am expecting it will finish soon after a total crunch time of 15-16 hours.

                          My apologies to John H. This part of my earlier post has proved to be incorrect. It is now approaching 30 hours and still crunching on the second part of the WU. At least that answers the question of whether or not we can expect both halves of a 2-liner will be the same length. Definitely not!

                          In looking through the WUs I have here, it seems that the less lines in the WU, the more dimensions there are to be calculated. I have queued a 25-liner next; we\'ll see how that goes. If the first one ever finishes!

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                          Message 4046 - Posted 18 Sep 2006 12:14:32 UTC - in response to Message 4032.

                            The length of a WU is hard to tell, so short means, shorter than before. Which is before the restart we had WUs containing 100, 1000, 10000 matricies. Now there are WUs with 25, 10 and 2 lines. We\'ve tried to predict the time necessary to process 1 matrix and we\'ve grouped them. There are a few WUs with 100 matricies, which are assumed to be quick. Others are shorter as stated above.
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                            Message 4052 - Posted 18 Sep 2006 13:21:43 UTC - in response to Message 4046.

                              The length of a WU is hard to tell, so short means, shorter than before. Which is before the restart we had WUs containing 100, 1000, 10000 matricies. Now there are WUs with 25, 10 and 2 lines. We\'ve tried to predict the time necessary to process 1 matrix and we\'ve grouped them. There are a few WUs with 100 matricies, which are assumed to be quick. Others are shorter as stated above.


                              Ok but the WU I had this week-end ran for 50 hours without no move in the progress bar... so what about the checkpoints? Do they follow the progress bar or are they independant?

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                              Message 4056 - Posted 18 Sep 2006 14:41:31 UTC

                                I downloaded about 30 work units that estimated a 7 minute runtime and a report date of 10/14. Assuming the progress bar is somewhat correct each workunit would require 17 hours. At an estimated 21 days to complete the work units I could get them all done. Except that with other projects also running - Boinc Manager wouldn\'t complete the work units because it thinks they only need about 210 minutes to complete - not 510 hours.
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                                Message 4057 - Posted 18 Sep 2006 14:47:06 UTC

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                                  Just some general info here...I got 3 downloads on the 14th that were showing initial completion times of 45 minutes each. As you can see, that time element was not a correct projection..

                                  WU 1 went 24 + hours

                                  WU 2 went 34 + hours

                                  for the 3rd WU , it now shows a completion time of 34 + hours, instead of the initial 45 minutes, but at least the WU\'s are completing successfully.

                                  As a side note, I compared the credit projections to E@H, and SZTAKI is about 40 credits lower per WU as a proportion of time spent crunching.

                                  I am \"NOT\" complaining, just find the variances in each project to be interesting.....

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                                  Message 4058 - Posted 18 Sep 2006 15:01:08 UTC

                                    which is exactly what i\'m talking about. when a wu estimates 7 minutes to finish but needs 25 hours - it screws up the boinc manager if you\'re running multiple projects.

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                                    Message 4069 - Posted 19 Sep 2006 1:59:46 UTC

                                      I don\'t know if anyone else is doing this, but I\'ve set all my projects to \"No new tasks\" until my machine finishes all the work, including three more SZTAKI. That should help you, at least a little.
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                                      Message 4072 - Posted 19 Sep 2006 4:45:48 UTC

                                        Further update: I\'m at 32 hours 6 minutes, and still only 10% complete.
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                                        Message 4074 - Posted 19 Sep 2006 6:49:20 UTC - in response to Message 4010.

                                          I would still very much like to get some feadback to those questions, as i am running sztaki since several days, so that their wus can finish.
                                          another observation is, that wus that are finished and pending for me, do not get sent out again if they are being cancelled by other users (id= 650 and 1900).

                                          my wu is now at 40% with 57 hours crunched. If this effort would get lost, i\'d be very dissappointed, as i only have one private cpu and do not intend to waste its time and my electricity.


                                          I think it would be very important for the future of this worthwhile project (and in order to keep it\'s crunchers base) that Adam makes a clarifying statement on the news page. Climate prediction wus take a real long time, but nobody is having a problem with this, since we know that this is the way they work.
                                          Here we always had nicely short wus and suddenly they are not finishing after 10 or 20 hours. If I understand it right, the time to completion won\'t show up correctly mainly because:

                                          - it is based on the old estimates from the short wus (potentially giving me an overload of wus i won\'t finish in time)
                                          - the progressbar jumps in a non linear way, i.e. from 0% to 100% if there is one \"step\" to calculate, from 0% to 50% to 100% if there are two \"steps\" etc.

                                          I would thus, in addition to the plea to make a statement on the news page, have two questions:

                                          1) Is there a way to guess ourselves from the completion time for one \"step\" the total amount of time neeeded to finish the wu. As a simple example: if 50% take 10 hours, does the wu take 20h, or can the two \"steps\" have a different duration?
                                          edit: apperently every step is of different length as some report here.

                                          2) I have a wu in progress which crunches since 20 hours and shows 10%. Does this mean that the next step will be 20%, thus the wu having 10 \"steps\"?

                                          I hope these questions and statements help the project as well as us to understand what is going on on the crunchers\' as well as the project\'s side.


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                                          Message 4093 - Posted 20 Sep 2006 5:58:47 UTC - in response to Message 4074.

                                            To continue the saga of my first new work unit since the restart of 14 September. . .

                                            The 50% mark, of the two-liner, came at just under the eight hour mark. The WU is now at chugging along at 53 hours, which makes the \'second half\' 45 hours and counting. And there was me confidently predicting a 16-hour total crunch time.

                                            Now here\'s something. A quorum member with a 3.5 GHz Athlon 64 has completed this WU. It took 99 hours. But my 2.0GHz G5 has an integer speed of 90% and a floating point speed of 53% of their Athlon. This means that if SZTAKI Search uses integer calcs, it will take me about 110 hours to finish. If it uses floating point only, it will take about 190 hours to complete. And this is for just one WU, never mind the all the others Boinc has queued up! And these are the new shorter WUs?!!

                                            So here are a couple of questions:

                                            1. Does Search 2 mainly use integer, floating point or both?

                                            2. What is the maximum CPU time? (I think it\'s in the forum somewhere but I can\'t find it at the moment). If is less than 110 or 190 hours I might as well abort this WU right now.

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                                            Message 4142 - Posted 22 Sep 2006 18:30:38 UTC

                                              10 hours & at 20% it better finish soon or the WU is getting ditched and the project put on hold again!
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                                              Message 4171 - Posted 1 Oct 2006 4:01:42 UTC

                                                The 2-line WU I have been crunching finally ended yesterday.

                                                First line took 7.50. Second line took 140.50. Total crunch of 148.40. But with the computer only switched on for about 8.5 hours per day it took 16 days start to finish.

                                                I would suggest the new \'shorter\' WUs are still a bit too long.

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                                                Message 4180 - Posted 2 Oct 2006 10:34:55 UTC

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                                                  I\'m kind of worried about my new WU. At 48 hours, it\'s at ... wait for it ... 0% still. I hope it is a 2 line run. At least I have a few days to complete it.
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                                                  Message 4181 - Posted 2 Oct 2006 13:44:13 UTC - in response to Message 4180.

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                                                    I\'m kind of worried about my new WU. At 48 hours, it\'s at ... wait for it ... 0% still. I hope it is a 2 line run. At least I have a few days to complete it.


                                                    At 51 hours, it jumped to 10% done....
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                                                    Message 4183 - Posted 3 Oct 2006 3:30:02 UTC

                                                      I really do not care how long or short the work unit is, as long as I can get the work unit done by the deadline on an old 800MHz P3 laptop. However, I do care on how often the program can checkpoint because I frequently need to shut down my laptop to take it places. That is why I was happy with the 100 line work units where each line took a short amount of time, but I was forced to detach because I realized that I could not process those two line work units that had one extremely long computation time on one line. I therefore had to abort it and detach from the project because I realized that my frequent shutdown patterns during the weekdays could damage the project by getting work units that I could not complete because the files seemed to indicate that the application would restart on the last finished line, making each finished line a checkpoint.

                                                      Could someone please correct me if I am wrong in any of my assumptions? Thanks.

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                                                      Message 4184 - Posted 3 Oct 2006 4:38:40 UTC - in response to Message 4183.

                                                        I really do not care how long or short the work unit is, as long as I can get the work unit done by the deadline on an old 800MHz P3 laptop. However, I do care on how often the program can checkpoint because I frequently need to shut down my laptop to take it places. That is why I was happy with the 100 line work units where each line took a short amount of time, but I was forced to detach because I realized that I could not process those two line work units that had one extremely long computation time on one line. I therefore had to abort it and detach from the project because I realized that my frequent shutdown patterns during the weekdays could damage the project by getting work units that I could not complete because the files seemed to indicate that the application would restart on the last finished line, making each finished line a checkpoint.

                                                        Could someone please correct me if I am wrong in any of my assumptions? Thanks.

                                                        According to my understanding the program creates a checkpoint every minute and not only at the end of the processing of a line. In the projects folder the file \"..._2\" contains the records of the checkpoints. Without regular checkpoints I couldn\'t either work for this project.

                                                        Please come back to us. Your laptop is perfectly suited for this kind of job.

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                                                        Message 4185 - Posted 3 Oct 2006 6:46:20 UTC - in response to Message 4183.

                                                          I would guess that the frequency of checkpoint writing is determined by the setting in your account general preferences \"Write to disk at most every\", which I think defaults to 60 seconds. So I think Robert is correct: your computer writes a checkpoint much more often than at the end of every matrice calculation.

                                                          Regarding the length (crunchtime) of the work unit, if you are only crunching for one project and can finish before the deadline then I agree that the length of the unit is irrelevant. But if you crunch for multiple projects then lengthy SZTAKI tasks that monopolise your CPU for days or weeks at a time are something of an inconvenience.

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                                                          Message 4188 - Posted 3 Oct 2006 20:02:09 UTC

                                                            Anyone know how long the WUs are normally now ?

                                                            Mine is now 9 hours and 29 minutes.

                                                            Should I just let it run or is there something wrong with it ???
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                                                            Message 4189 - Posted 3 Oct 2006 20:41:52 UTC - in response to Message 4188.

                                                              Anyone know how long the WUs are normally now ?

                                                              Mine is now 9 hours and 29 minutes.

                                                              Should I just let it run or is there something wrong with it ???

                                                              You have d/led 140 wus ??

                                                              9 hours and 29 minutes
                                                              Ehm, perhaps you are (only) at the beginning...


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                                                              Message 4193 - Posted 3 Oct 2006 23:12:10 UTC - in response to Message 4189.

                                                                Anyone know how long the WUs are normally now ?

                                                                Mine is now 9 hours and 29 minutes.

                                                                Should I just let it run or is there something wrong with it ???

                                                                You have d/led 140 wus ??

                                                                9 hours and 29 minutes
                                                                Ehm, perhaps you are (only) at the beginning...





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                                                                Message 4198 - Posted 4 Oct 2006 16:08:16 UTC

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                                                                  I had one that went for 700,936.56 seconds (~195h) befor it errored out on my Pd 2.8. The error was something along the lines of \"work unit is in an invalid state! aborting!\" it clamed 1,541.37 credits, but i didnt get any. Has anyone else who let theres run taking anywhere near this?

                                                                  the work unit in question is here:
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                                                                  CPU time (sec) 700936.5625
                                                                  stderr out
                                                                  ^core_client_version>5.6.1^/core_client_version>
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                                                                  ^message>
                                                                  Maximum CPU time exceeded
                                                                  ^/message>
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                                                                  Validate state Invalid
                                                                  Claimed credit 1541.37359614143
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                                                                  *note- I changed < to ^ in the above stderr out so the text would show.

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                                                                  Message 4211 - Posted 5 Oct 2006 10:47:14 UTC - in response to Message 4181.

                                                                    I\'m kind of worried about my new WU. At 48 hours, it\'s at ... wait for it ... 0% still. I hope it is a 2 line run. At least I have a few days to complete it.


                                                                    At 51 hours, it jumped to 10% done....


                                                                    Of course, I had to shut boinc down to do it and bring it back up. 20% at about 57 hours - restarting boinc...

                                                                    Now, up to ~110 hours and still stuck at 20%. Should I abort???
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                                                                    Message 4230 - Posted 8 Oct 2006 7:00:50 UTC



                                                                      After 256h 35m 01s of crunching, the \"short\" WU exceeded CPU time limit - and it was still at 50%.

                                                                      This is insane. Does it make sense to continue this project on Celeron 2,40 ?




                                                                      07/10/2006 06:47:35||Suspending network activity - user request
                                                                      07/10/2006 06:47:35||Using earliest-deadline-first scheduling because computer is overcommitted.
                                                                      07/10/2006 07:52:00|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Aborting task 21b342bd-9be3-49d2-8c12-48e176df7b34_762885d5-e213-417a-b20d-ee0d001aa5a0_777_2: exceeded CPU time limit 923695.652174
                                                                      07/10/2006 07:52:00|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Unrecoverable error for result 21b342bd-9be3-49d2-8c12-48e176df7b34_762885d5-e213-417a-b20d-ee0d001aa5a0_777_2 (Maximum CPU time exceeded)
                                                                      07/10/2006 07:52:00|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Deferring scheduler requests for 1 minutes and 0 seconds
                                                                      07/10/2006 07:52:07||Rescheduling CPU: application exited
                                                                      07/10/2006 07:52:07|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Computation for task 21b342bd-9be3-49d2-8c12-48e176df7b34_762885d5-e213-417a-b20d-ee0d001aa5a0_777_2 finished




                                                                      The WU is here:


                                                                      http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=2072


                                                                      and here are the last checkpoints before the error:



                                                                      dc_ckpt_162 7:41

                                                                      [1] [0] [12] [3 -25 80 -119 148 -491 646 -206 96 -79 40 -10 1] [6]



                                                                      dc_ckpt_166 7:42


                                                                      [1] [0] [12] [3 -25 80 -119 152 -693 1305 -282 98 -79 40 -10 1] [6]


                                                                      I used to copy them ocassionally, to look at the (lack of) progress.



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                                                                      Message 4243 - Posted 10 Oct 2006 6:31:01 UTC

                                                                        Sziasztok!

                                                                        Ez a munkacsomag 60 óra után 60%-ra lépett. Már 109 órája fut, de még mindig 60%-on áll.
                                                                        \"Leadási határidő\": október 13.
                                                                        Szerintetek megszakítsam? Még senki sem küldött vissza eredményt.

                                                                        További jó szobafűtést!
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                                                                        Message 4245 - Posted 10 Oct 2006 11:36:56 UTC - in response to Message 4243.

                                                                          Sziasztok!

                                                                          Ez a munkacsomag 60 óra után 60%-ra lépett. Már 109 órája fut, de még mindig 60%-on áll.
                                                                          \"Leadási határidő\": október 13.
                                                                          Szerintetek megszakítsam? Még senki sem küldött vissza eredményt.

                                                                          További jó szobafűtést!
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                                                                          ha becsukod és újra nyitod a boinc-ot, akkor újraszámolja a százalékot (legalábbis nekem ezt tette, és ugrott), úgyhogy sztem folytasd. Nehogy már a végén hagyjad abba :-P
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                                                                          Message 4250 - Posted 10 Oct 2006 16:55:06 UTC - in response to Message 4245.



                                                                            ha becsukod és újra nyitod a boinc-ot, akkor újraszámolja a százalékot (legalábbis nekem ezt tette, és ugrott), úgyhogy sztem folytasd. Nehogy már a végén hagyjad abba :-P


                                                                            Hiába... még kikapcsolás után sem. :(
                                                                            Még 3 éjszakája van... Ha péntek reggelig nem sikerül, akkor eldobom.
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                                                                            Message 4251 - Posted 10 Oct 2006 17:55:50 UTC - in response to Message 4211.

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                                                                              I\'m kind of worried about my new WU. At 48 hours, it\'s at ... wait for it ... 0% still. I hope it is a 2 line run. At least I have a few days to complete it.


                                                                              At 51 hours, it jumped to 10% done....


                                                                              Of course, I had to shut boinc down to do it and bring it back up. 20% at about 57 hours - restarting boinc...

                                                                              Now, up to ~110 hours and still stuck at 20%. Should I abort???


                                                                              Hey Ron...just a note to say that I have yet to see anyone finish a WU that begins with 1a9d...

                                                                              Here is my results page. You will notice that any project beginning with a \"0\" or a \"2\" seems to finish...it is my belief that these 1a....WU\'s are just burning up CPU time...Stan

                                                                              Maybe someone has finished one of these 1a...WU\'s and could share that news with us....

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                                                                                I try to do \"something\" on this wu_1304
                                                                                but with a deadline in 2 days, i\'m pretty sure that i\'m wasting my cpu time on this wu 1a9d

                                                                                About this wuid=1296, the Linux machine needeed 347,234.10 sec.
                                                                                Since anyway, my A64 X2 will be probably slower than this machine, i\'m pretty sure that i will get the message \"Maximum CPU time exceeded\".
                                                                                So wu aborted (cpu time = 218,983.33 sec.)
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                                                                                Message 4256 - Posted 10 Oct 2006 18:37:00 UTC - in response to Message 4251.

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                                                                                  Maybe someone has finished one of these 1a...WU\'s and could share that news with us....

                                                                                  Give them to me :-) I needed 9428 sec to crunch this one!

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                                                                                  Message 4258 - Posted 10 Oct 2006 19:04:07 UTC - in response to Message 4256.

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                                                                                    Maybe someone has finished one of these 1a...WU\'s and could share that news with us....

                                                                                    Give them to me :-) I needed 9428 sec to crunch this one!

                                                                                    Robert, it seems that wus 1a9d. created recently are \"easier\" (shorter) than wus 1a9d. created in september.
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                                                                                    Message 4260 - Posted 10 Oct 2006 19:39:58 UTC - in response to Message 4258.

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                                                                                      Robert, it seems that wus 1a9d. created recently are \"easier\" (shorter) than wus 1a9d. created in september.

                                                                                      Of the 47 WUs that I got on September 16th there is not a single one starting with 1a9d. Those that I have were downloaded on October 1st or later, and are shorter. Now I understand why I feel so at ease with them, unlike the other crunchers!

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                                                                                      Message 4261 - Posted 10 Oct 2006 20:57:49 UTC

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                                                                                        WU
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                                                                                        on P4 1.8Ghz XP pro SP2

                                                                                        20 hours and 10% done...

                                                                                        Aborted

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                                                                                        Message 4297 - Posted 14 Oct 2006 10:58:27 UTC - in response to Message 4251.

                                                                                          Hey Ron...just a note to say that I have yet to see anyone finish a WU that begins with 1a9d...

                                                                                          Here is my results page. You will notice that any project beginning with a \"0\" or a \"2\" seems to finish...it is my belief that these 1a....WU\'s are just burning up CPU time...Stan

                                                                                          Maybe someone has finished one of these 1a...WU\'s and could share that news with us....


                                                                                          Aieeee, you were right. After 225 hours, it gave up, Maximum CPU time exceeded.

                                                                                          1,274.59 credits lost. *sigh*
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                                                                                          Message 4298 - Posted 14 Oct 2006 13:07:51 UTC

                                                                                            Hello,

                                                                                            25 WUs downloaded in a row on the 7 of October. Geeee, that\'s was unexpected.
                                                                                            So far, only two or three were crunching on my machine.

                                                                                            And two 19ad ones stuck at 20%, one more than two days already crunched.

                                                                                            To made a test, I had put on-hold all 19ad I had (9 of them), after reading this post, to determine if other WUs have the same behavior.

                                                                                            Keep you informed,

                                                                                            Happy crunchee-hochee-boochee
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                                                                                            Message 4299 - Posted 14 Oct 2006 13:19:49 UTC

                                                                                              Anything can happen here: 14549. It\'s so exciting!
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                                                                                              Message 4370 - Posted 18 Oct 2006 15:45:39 UTC

                                                                                                Hello,

                                                                                                Been a three day WE, and on come back I checked my BOINC.

                                                                                                All WUs has been crunched OK (except the 19ad of course, on-hold).

                                                                                                I then resumed the 19ad.
                                                                                                The one stucked in 20% for more than two days, has jumped to 40% at the minute I restarted it.

                                                                                                Do we need to stop-resume these WUs in order to advance in the crunching ?
                                                                                                Does this mean that somewhere in the application, the percentage is not updated due to a infinite loop, which is flushed on stopping the WUs, and then the application recalculate the advancement of the WU on resuming ?

                                                                                                Don\'t know if somebody is checking this thread anymore ...
                                                                                                Anyway I will stick to the stop-resume from time to time, annoying but advancing ;o).

                                                                                                See ya,
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                                                                                                Message 4375 - Posted 18 Oct 2006 22:48:02 UTC - in response to Message 4370.

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                                                                                                  Hello,

                                                                                                  Been a three day WE, and on come back I checked my BOINC.

                                                                                                  All WUs has been crunched OK (except the 19ad of course, on-hold).

                                                                                                  I then resumed the 19ad.
                                                                                                  The one stucked in 20% for more than two days, has jumped to 40% at the minute I restarted it.

                                                                                                  Do we need to stop-resume these WUs in order to advance in the crunching ?
                                                                                                  Does this mean that somewhere in the application, the percentage is not updated due to a infinite loop, which is flushed on stopping the WUs, and then the application recalculate the advancement of the WU on resuming ?

                                                                                                  Don\'t know if somebody is checking this thread anymore ...
                                                                                                  Anyway I will stick to the stop-resume from time to time, annoying but advancing ;o).

                                                                                                  See ya,
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                                                                                                  I have paused a wu 247cb2c2 (since some time), because sticky at 20 % (if i remember).
                                                                                                  I\'ve resumed this wu today and guess, the wu has jumped at 78 % immediately !
                                                                                                  I don\'t know how we advance in the crunching but at least we update the % done.

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                                                                                                  Message 4386 - Posted 19 Oct 2006 8:00:04 UTC - in response to Message 4375.


                                                                                                    I have paused a wu 247cb2c2 (since some time), because sticky at 20 % (if i remember).
                                                                                                    I\'ve resumed this wu today and guess, the wu has jumped at 78 % immediately !
                                                                                                    I don\'t know how we advance in the crunching but at least we update the % done.

                                                                                                    Sziasztok!
                                                                                                    Hasonló élményem nekem is volt, BOINC manager-t leállítottam, újraindítottam, 20%-ról 40%-ra ugrott a folyamatjelző (5 sor esetén ez 2 sor elkészültét jelenti), DE: az eredmény fájlban továbbra is csak 1 sor szerepelt, azaz gyakorlatilag 20%-nál tart.
                                                                                                    Akkor most hogyan is van?

                                                                                                    További szép napot mindenkinek!
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                                                                                                    Message 4507 - Posted 27 Oct 2006 4:19:11 UTC

                                                                                                      I seem to have a problem. I have been running my first work unit fo 66 plus hours. The time to completion keeps increasingm and it has been at 50% complete for an extremely long time. The workunit starts with 21b342bd-. Any ideas as to what is going on and how to resolve it?
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                                                                                                      Message 4509 - Posted 27 Oct 2006 4:37:07 UTC

                                                                                                        1a9d sucess....

                                                                                                        http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/result.php?resultid=52632


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                                                                                                        Message 4510 - Posted 27 Oct 2006 5:24:19 UTC - in response to Message 4507.

                                                                                                          I seem to have a problem. I have been running my first work unit fo 66 plus hours. The time to completion keeps increasingm and it has been at 50% complete for an extremely long time. The workunit starts with 21b342bd-. Any ideas as to what is going on and how to resolve it?


                                                                                                          See this post for what happened to me with a similar work unit. That said, I have also completed some of these successfully. Don\'t worry too much about sticking at fifty, it\'ll jump to 100 if it completes in time.
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                                                                                                          Message 4517 - Posted 27 Oct 2006 17:10:02 UTC

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                                                                                                            While checking my results page,

                                                                                                            I finally saw someone finish a 1a9d.. WU from 14 September at 737,000+. I had aborted mine at 205,000+, and I give kudos to the person that ran that WU for 8.5 days and had it finish successfully....

                                                                                                            Not that it matters , but with that CPU time in E@H, one\'s cobblestones would be projected to be about 2,800....

                                                                                                            But congrats for having it finished!!!

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                                                                                                            Message 4532 - Posted 29 Oct 2006 18:07:57 UTC

                                                                                                              Hello,

                                                                                                              New update.

                                                                                                              After reading across the forum, I have decided to stop all <B>1a9d..</B> WUs that were not successfully finished by someboby else in a reasonable time (2 or 3 days), in order to respect the DEADLINE (november 4).

                                                                                                              This because one of my WUs has reached the Overcommitted State (more that 8 days of crunching, completion at 9 days and these two time are still growing. Yesterday, completion was 8.5 days).

                                                                                                              I read that we can report WUs till 2 or 3 weeks after deadline, but what of the other projects ? Computer goes to normal crunching state if WUs are over deadline but still crunching ?
                                                                                                              I don\'t know, I will look in Wiki if something about it has been written.

                                                                                                              BTW, upgrading to 2.01 (or 2.03) version could correct the problem with these 1a9d.. WUs ?

                                                                                                              Happy crunching,
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                                                                                                              Message 4533 - Posted 29 Oct 2006 20:05:01 UTC - in response to Message 4510.

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                                                                                                                I seem to have a problem. I have been running my first work unit fo 66 plus hours. The time to completion keeps increasingm and it has been at 50% complete for an extremely long time. The workunit starts with 21b342bd-. Any ideas as to what is going on and how to resolve it?


                                                                                                                See this post for what happened to me with a similar work unit. That said, I have also completed some of these successfully. Don\'t worry too much about sticking at fifty, it\'ll jump to 100 if it completes in time.


                                                                                                                I had one of the 21b342bd- series, too (discussed here and in the follow-up messages with Robert Mouris). It had processed for more than 80 hours (but still showed 0.00% progress) when I had to restart my computer. The unit \"completed\" immediately after the computer booted back up and BOINC resumed processing. I got another from the 21b342bd- series today and it has started out with the same symptoms. (I won\'t be nearly as patient with this one.)
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                                                                                                                  I read that we can report WUs till 2 or 3 weeks after deadline, but what of the other projects ? Computer goes to normal crunching state if WUs are over deadline but still crunching ?

                                                                                                                  No; tasks that are past deadline continue to receive top priority. If one project takes more than its share of time, BOINC will begin ‘repaying’ the debt when it returns to round-robin mode, not requesting any work from that project until the other apps have made up for the time they spent in a preëmpted state.
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                                                                                                                  Message 4536 - Posted 30 Oct 2006 0:15:03 UTC - in response to Message 4532.

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                                                                                                                    Hello,

                                                                                                                    New update.

                                                                                                                    After reading across the forum, I have decided to stop all <B>1a9d..</B> WUs that were not successfully finished by someboby else in a reasonable time (2 or 3 days), in order to respect the DEADLINE (november 4).

                                                                                                                    This because one of my WUs has reached the Overcommitted State (more that 8 days of crunching, completion at 9 days and these two time are still growing. Yesterday, completion was 8.5 days).

                                                                                                                    I read that we can report WUs till 2 or 3 weeks after deadline, but what of the other projects ? Computer goes to normal crunching state if WUs are over deadline but still crunching ?
                                                                                                                    I don\'t know, I will look in Wiki if something about it has been written.

                                                                                                                    BTW, upgrading to 2.01 (or 2.03) version could correct the problem with these 1a9d.. WUs ?

                                                                                                                    Happy crunching,
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                                                                                                                    I installed the 2.01 (renamed 2.0) on my A64 X2 4600 since the last wus are 1a9d...
                                                                                                                    Problem : after a reboot, 7 wus crashed with this error message (before or after the crash ?) :
                                                                                                                    SZTAKI Desktop Grid|ACTIVE_TASK::parse(): result not found
                                                                                                                    SZTAKI Desktop Grid|ACTIVE_TASK::parse(): result not found

                                                                                                                    Outcome : Client error
                                                                                                                    Client state : Downloaded

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                                                                                                                    Message 4540 - Posted 30 Oct 2006 14:31:53 UTC

                                                                                                                      I have an odd situation. With WU name: 21b342bd-9be3-49d2-8c12-48e176df7b34_efec975d-432f-44ab-828c-d29bfeb4ac07_393, it went to 50% at 2 hours. Now, it\'s still running at 21 hours. Normal? Should I abort???
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                                                                                                                      Message 4541 - Posted 30 Oct 2006 16:09:36 UTC - in response to Message 4540.

                                                                                                                        I have an odd situation. With WU name: 21b342bd-9be3-49d2-8c12-48e176df7b34_efec975d-432f-44ab-828c-d29bfeb4ac07_393, it went to 50% at 2 hours. Now, it\'s still running at 21 hours. Normal? Should I abort???


                                                                                                                        Some WUs can take over 100 hours, others reach the max cpu time at 200+ hours, yet others finish in 15 minutes. Some finish, some don\'t, it\'s your gamble. The % complete just means the first line was done after 2 hrs, and the second line is taking much more than that, no suprise.
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                                                                                                                        Message 4542 - Posted 30 Oct 2006 19:07:26 UTC - in response to Message 4533.

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                                                                                                                          I had one of the 21b342bd- series, too (discussed here and in the follow-up messages with Robert Mouris). It had processed for more than 80 hours (but still showed 0.00% progress) when I had to restart my computer. The unit \"completed\" immediately after the computer booted back up and BOINC resumed processing. I got another from the 21b342bd- series today and it has started out with the same symptoms. (I won\'t be nearly as patient with this one.)


                                                                                                                          This is to update everyone on my second 21b342bd- WU (discussed above). My Result ID 106788 ended processing immediately after I had exited/then restarted BOINC. When it ended, it had registered a little more than an hour of CPU time, but still showed 0.00% Progress. The message: \"Output is empty, placing msg in out.txt\" is in its \"stderr_txt\" file.

                                                                                                                          This is virtually the same way my first 21b342bd- WU ended. The main differences between the two are: 1/ the first ended after a computer restart where the second ended after simply exiting and restarting BOINC; 2/ the first unit was processed on hostid=36836 and the second on hostid=36829; and, 3/ the first unit had processed over 80 hours but the second for only a little more than 1 hour. (But, both units were processed by W2.01.)


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                                                                                                                          Message 4545 - Posted 30 Oct 2006 22:00:44 UTC

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                                                                                                                            Ehm something surprizing (? !)
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                                                                                                                            Professional Edition, Service Pack 4, (05.00.2195.00)

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                                                                                                                            Let\'s wait the quorum now

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                                                                                                                            Message 4547 - Posted 31 Oct 2006 0:25:48 UTC - in response to Message 4545.

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                                                                                                                              Ehm something surprizing (? !)
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                                                                                                                              Professional Edition, Service Pack 4, (05.00.2195.00)

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                                                                                                                              Let\'s wait the quorum now


                                                                                                                              Yes, very interesting! And both were \"Output is empty . . .\" and W2.00.

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                                                                                                                              Message 4561 - Posted 2 Nov 2006 3:56:16 UTC

                                                                                                                                Hello everybody,

                                                                                                                                I\'m glad to tell you that one of my <b>1a9d..</b> (the longest one so far) has finished at 9 days 13 hours.
                                                                                                                                Still 7 to go before November 4th. Nice target ;o).

                                                                                                                                BTW, I had everyday stopped-resumed each WUs in hope to advance them.
                                                                                                                                For some, it is working from time to time. But I find it annoying to have to do this to update them. Since \'Overcommitted state\' reached, SZTAKI alone is crunching. And no round-robinning between projects.

                                                                                                                                So after deadline reached, I will give time to other projects to crunch (hopefully ClimatePrediction have 1 year deadline ;o) ).
                                                                                                                                I will keep SZTAKI crunching every two days. I\'m feeling stubborn on this.

                                                                                                                                I wish you all a nice evening or day.
                                                                                                                                Ferenc.

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                                                                                                                                Message 4566 - Posted 2 Nov 2006 21:40:06 UTC

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                                                                                                                                  I wonder if I\'ll get credits for this WU as a Christmas present?

                                                                                                                                  http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=8784

                                                                                                                                  ( I finished and reported back on 29th September..... )


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                                                                                                                                  Message 4567 - Posted 2 Nov 2006 23:40:44 UTC - in response to Message 4566.

                                                                                                                                    I wonder if I\'ll get credits for this WU as a Christmas present?

                                                                                                                                    http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=8784

                                                                                                                                    ( I finished and reported back on 29th September..... )


                                                                                                                                    A new result has been created and will be sent.
                                                                                                                                    So not impossible.
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                                                                                                                                    Message 4572 - Posted 3 Nov 2006 8:16:56 UTC - in response to Message 4547.

                                                                                                                                      Ehm something surprizing (? !)
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                                                                                                                                      Professional Edition, Service Pack 4, (05.00.2195.00)

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                                                                                                                                      Let\'s wait the quorum now


                                                                                                                                      Yes, very interesting! And both were \"Output is empty . . .\" and W2.00.


                                                                                                                                      I wonder if there is somewhere a finished 1a9d6387 or 21b342bd WU around with a valid result and not the line \"Output is empty ...\".

                                                                                                                                      I had 2 running 21b342bd WU\'s on my linux for almost 4 days when my system crashed. After restarting again, the WU\'s were finished with the famous line :)


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                                                                                                                                      Message 4576 - Posted 3 Nov 2006 17:18:00 UTC - in response to Message 4572.

                                                                                                                                        I wonder if there is somewhere a finished 1a9d6387 or 21b342bd WU around with a valid result and not the line \"Output is empty ...\".


                                                                                                                                        1a9d6387 WU without the empty result

                                                                                                                                        21b342bd WU without the empty result (in fact granted 114 credits)

                                                                                                                                        This computer has many finished WUs, some empty, some good, and some granting credit, some errors. Success is possible!
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                                                                                                                                        Message 4578 - Posted 4 Nov 2006 0:15:08 UTC

                                                                                                                                          http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=15743 40 hours and 40%

                                                                                                                                          is this short ?

                                                                                                                                          nobody announced results
                                                                                                                                          deadline is nov/12

                                                                                                                                          abort ???

                                                                                                                                          or continue ???

                                                                                                                                          I waste my CPU-time ?

                                                                                                                                          sorry for this poor english :o)
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                                                                                                                                          Message 4579 - Posted 4 Nov 2006 6:52:13 UTC - in response to Message 4572.

                                                                                                                                            I wonder if there is somewhere a finished 1a9d6387 or 21b342bd WU around with a valid result and not the line \"Output is empty ...\".

                                                                                                                                            I’m getting pretty pessimistic about this five-line 1a9d6387 that’s running on my Mac G4/733. It started out fairly promising, reaching 20% in about five hours—but it’s past deadline now, having crunched for over 80 h, and still showing 20%. I see now that the sole successful result—and which isn’t “empty”—is from a 4.4-GHz Linux/AMD system (running search v2.03), which I’d expect to fly through most WUs, yet it took 30 h. The implications for my poor old Mac aren’t good …
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                                                                                                                                            Message 4580 - Posted 4 Nov 2006 7:37:48 UTC - in response to Message 4578.

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                                                                                                                                              http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=15743 40 hours and 40%

                                                                                                                                              \"Short\" in this project means nowadays \"less than 200 hours\", because above that limit the work unit is deleted with the message \"maximum CPU time exceeded\" which happened often in summer. With your 40 % after 40 hours you have a very good chance to finish your WU. However you must be aware that your result will be validated only when 3 results have come in. This happens often after several weeks only if you are the first one to send your result.

                                                                                                                                              If you think that you are stuck in a loop, you can quit Boinc and restart it. Sometimes the percentage jumps to the next level.

                                                                                                                                              You can report your result even after the deadline. A replacement WU will be created on deadline, but there is a queue of about 9 days before they are sent out. If you report before the replacement WU is sent out, it will be cancelled. So no problem ntil 21 November.
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                                                                                                                                              Message 4581 - Posted 4 Nov 2006 7:51:08 UTC - in response to Message 4579.

                                                                                                                                                I see now that the sole successful result—and which isn’t “empty”—is from a 4.4-GHz Linux/AMD system (running search v2.03), which I’d expect to fly through most WUs, yet it took 30 h. The implications for my poor old Mac aren’t good …

                                                                                                                                                This user restarted 10 times after a checkpoint, and always with \"Restarting from checkpoint: Lines processed so far 3\", never after line 1 or 2. The worst is still to come. I hate aborting WUs, but I would do it this time.

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                                                                                                                                                Message 4582 - Posted 4 Nov 2006 17:11:12 UTC - in response to Message 4580.



                                                                                                                                                  If you think that you are stuck in a loop, you can quit Boinc and restart it. Sometimes the percentage jumps to the next level.


                                                                                                                                                  Thanks ... it was a loop. WU jumped after BOINC-restart too 60%. Now I sit and wait :o)
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                                                                                                                                                  Message 4586 - Posted 5 Nov 2006 17:11:19 UTC - in response to Message 4541.

                                                                                                                                                    I have an odd situation. With WU name: 21b342bd-9be3-49d2-8c12-48e176df7b34_efec975d-432f-44ab-828c-d29bfeb4ac07_393, it went to 50% at 2 hours. Now, it\'s still running at 21 hours. Normal? Should I abort???


                                                                                                                                                    Some WUs can take over 100 hours, others reach the max cpu time at 200+ hours, yet others finish in 15 minutes. Some finish, some don\'t, it\'s your gamble. The % complete just means the first line was done after 2 hrs, and the second line is taking much more than that, no suprise.


                                                                                                                                                    Now 80 hours, still at 50%. I\'ve stopped other projects. If I get another max CPU time error, I\'ll be irked.
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                                                                                                                                                    Message 4590 - Posted 5 Nov 2006 20:02:53 UTC - in response to Message 4586.

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                                                                                                                                                      I have an odd situation. With WU name: 21b342bd-9be3-49d2-8c12-48e176df7b34_efec975d-432f-44ab-828c-d29bfeb4ac07_393, it went to 50% at 2 hours. Now, it\'s still running at 21 hours. Normal? Should I abort???


                                                                                                                                                      Some WUs can take over 100 hours, others reach the max cpu time at 200+ hours, yet others finish in 15 minutes. Some finish, some don\'t, it\'s your gamble. The % complete just means the first line was done after 2 hrs, and the second line is taking much more than that, no suprise.


                                                                                                                                                      Now 80 hours, still at 50%. I\'ve stopped other projects. If I get another max CPU time error, I\'ll be irked.

                                                                                                                                                      The other user (running an A64 3200+) has aborted the wu after a cpu time = 45h so patience (fingers crossed).

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                                                                                                                                                      Message 4592 - Posted 5 Nov 2006 23:12:47 UTC - in response to Message 4590.


                                                                                                                                                        The other user (running an A64 3200+) has aborted the wu after a cpu time = 45h so patience (fingers crossed).

                                                                                                                                                        Oh, I plan on letting run. *sigh* Plus my work computer just picked up two of the same kind of WUs. *groan*
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                                                                                                                                                        Message 4611 - Posted 8 Nov 2006 9:00:25 UTC - in response to Message 4572.

                                                                                                                                                          I wonder if there is somewhere a finished 1a9d6387 or 21b342bd WU around with a valid result and not the line \"Output is empty ...\".

                                                                                                                                                          My Win98/Celeron system was working on a 1a9d6387- WU, but it has just got the dreaded maximum-CPU-time-exceeded error, after about 136 hours of crunching. Last time I looked, before the error, it was showing 20% done. No-one’s had any luck with that WU yet: there are three other errors (one of them the same as mine, the other two immediate) and a missed deadline.
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                                                                                                                                                          Message 4624 - Posted 9 Nov 2006 12:02:18 UTC

                                                                                                                                                            Brief update on long times. I have 3 WUs in the 21b342bd group. On my slower work computer, one finished at 40 hours, the other at 50 hours. On my slightly faster home computer, it\'s still at 50% after 153 hours. I\'m startimg to wonder. It had better not exceed the max CPU time limit before finishing.
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                                                                                                                                                            Message 4638 - Posted 10 Nov 2006 18:55:01 UTC - in response to Message 4586.

                                                                                                                                                              .... I\'ve stopped other projects. If I get another max CPU time error, I\'ll be irked.


                                                                                                                                                              I have the same problem here. This WU (1a9d6387 ...):
                                                                                                                                                              7 hours: 20%
                                                                                                                                                              18 hours: 40%
                                                                                                                                                              114 hours: 80%

                                                                                                                                                              meantime 175 hours ... still 80%. All other projects are stopped. I sit and wait ...

                                                                                                                                                              *fingers crossed*
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                                                                                                                                                              Message 4649 - Posted 12 Nov 2006 16:38:20 UTC - in response to Message 4624.

                                                                                                                                                                Brief update on long times. I have 3 WUs in the 21b342bd group. On my slower work computer, one finished at 40 hours, the other at 50 hours. On my slightly faster home computer, it\'s still at 50% after 153 hours. I\'m startimg to wonder. It had better not exceed the max CPU time limit before finishing.

                                                                                                                                                                At 204 hours with 50% done, it excede it\'s max CPU time. I\'m stopping SZTAKI on my home computer, too many errors on long running WI, but will leave it running on my
                                                                                                                                                                work computer which doesn\'t through errors.
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                                                                                                                                                                Message 4656 - Posted 13 Nov 2006 7:16:01 UTC - in response to Message 4171.

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                                                                                                                                                                  The 2-line WU I have been crunching finally ended yesterday.

                                                                                                                                                                  First line took 7.50. Second line took 140.50. Total crunch of 148.40. But with the computer only switched on for about 8.5 hours per day it took 16 days start to finish.


                                                                                                                                                                  Eventually things reached the point where there were three \'successful\' outcomes but no quorum so a fourth result was sent. The fourth result is just back and, apparently, it agrees with result number one but not number two (mine) or number three.

                                                                                                                                                                  So 148 hours crunching, and eight and half weeks waiting (this has been dragging on since the 15th September, remember) has now been declared invalid and 0 credit granted.

                                                                                                                                                                  WU 1586

                                                                                                                                                                  Issue 1:
                                                                                                                                                                  If the WUs are so volatile that two out of four results do not agree then it is difficult to have confidence in the canonical result.

                                                                                                                                                                  Issue 2:
                                                                                                                                                                  The fault was not on this computer -- the result was returned. Credit should be granted whether the result was eventually deemed valid or not.

                                                                                                                                                                  Issue 3:
                                                                                                                                                                  The credit granted was at the bottom of the scale, not an average of the four claims or even the two supposedly valid claims.

                                                                                                                                                                  Issue 4:
                                                                                                                                                                  If you look at the disparity of crunch times for this WU, you will see that the Mac app (24451, a G5) appears to be even more poorly optimised than the Windows app that there has been such a kerfuffle about this past week.

                                                                                                                                                                  I feel sorry for Adam trying to run this on his own. The owners of the project seem unable or unwilling to provide the resources to get it straightened out. And I am unwilling to take my computer off \'project suspended\' status until they do.

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                                                                                                                                                                  Message 5015 - Posted 12 Dec 2006 3:49:19 UTC - in response to Message 4579.

                                                                                                                                                                    I’m getting pretty pessimistic about this five-line 1a9d6387

                                                                                                                                                                    It’s been another month now, so time for an update. :(

                                                                                                                                                                    I was on the verge of aborting this task, but then it jumped to 40%. So I decided to let it run; the quorum is still awaiting a third result anyway. The task has been 80% done for a couple of weeks now, and has taken over 666 hours CPU time, as of when I left work today. Can anyone beat that? ;)

                                                                                                                                                                    (I don’t know why I haven’t got the maximum-CPU-time error—which BTW lost my Win98 system another 240 h of work just recently—I guess it has to do with the old G4’s low benchmarks, if the trigger is an estimate of the number of operations rather than a time limit per se.)
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                                                                                                                                                                    Message 5016 - Posted 12 Dec 2006 4:45:18 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                      OK, so some of the work units seem like they\'re getting nowhere, so what I\'ve ended up doing is running SZTAKI with another project. I\'ve found that a number of work units finish (or error out) after being switched out. Some continue from where they were, but alot more just fold up and die. Something is wrong with the work unit if that happens, check points or whatever isn\'t right.
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                                                                                                                                                                      Message 5041 - Posted 12 Dec 2006 21:34:57 UTC - in response to Message 5015.

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                                                                                                                                                                        I’m getting pretty pessimistic about this five-line 1a9d6387

                                                                                                                                                                        Well, this task finished today, at last. It must have been embarassed by the notoriety. ;)

                                                                                                                                                                        Having taken 682 hours, my host is claiming over 2000 cobblestones. And although it’s the third successful return for the WU, the result isn’t ‘out of the woods’ yet: it’s showing a status of “Checked but no consensus”. There’s a fourth result in progress, which isn’t due until the end of the month, so I could be waiting a while yet before the outcome is known.

                                                                                                                                                                        JFTR, here’s a scoreboard:
                                                                                                                                                                        Result Host Version Time (h) Claim 0 Mac G4/733 2.00 682 2067 1 WinXP/Opteron 2.00 0 (aborted) 2 Linux/Athlon 2.03 30 189 3 WinXP/Athlon ? ? (no reply) 4 WinXP/Core2 2.01 33 428 5 Win2K/Intel ? ? (in progress)

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                                                                                                                                                                        Message 5049 - Posted 12 Dec 2006 23:32:03 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                          2,455,983.43 sec. !
                                                                                                                                                                          A new record here ? ;)
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                                                                                                                                                                          Message 5065 - Posted 13 Dec 2006 15:23:12 UTC - in response to Message 4567.

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                                                                                                                                                                            I wonder if I\'ll get credits for this WU as a Christmas present?

                                                                                                                                                                            http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=14715

                                                                                                                                                                            ( I finished and reported back on 14th October..... )


                                                                                                                                                                            A new result has been created and will be sent.
                                                                                                                                                                            So not impossible.


                                                                                                                                                                            Not impossible - just highly unlikely. Look at the amount of WUs that host 3431 is hanging on to. (and look at how many already timed out!)


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                                                                                                                                                                            Message 5137 - Posted 18 Dec 2006 13:31:03 UTC

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                                                                                                                                                                              I\'ve been downloading a lot of the 1a9d series of WU lately and aborting them because of exceeds max CPU time error - what ever thaty is. Has the series been fix not to error out?
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                                                                                                                                                                              Message 5149 - Posted 19 Dec 2006 0:34:49 UTC - in response to Message 5137.

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                                                                                                                                                                                I have had three from the 1a9d6387 series recently (with mixed results). Result ID 261698 appears to have finished normally and is awaiting a quorum. On the other hand, Result ID 259390 got \"stuck\" at the 60% and 80% marks and needed an exit/restart of BOINC to finish up. It didn\'t get an \"Output is empty\" but, I doubt that it will validate because of the problem with the last 2 lines. And, Result ID 261660 is still \"In Progress\" and may be stuck at the 0.00% mark. But, it is still a long way from getting a \"Max CPU time\" error.

                                                                                                                                                                                I\'ve been downloading a lot of the 1a9d series of WU lately and aborting them because of exceeds max CPU time error - what ever thaty is. Has the series been fix not to error out?


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                                                                                                                                                                                Message 5289 - Posted 24 Dec 2006 16:55:56 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                  Hi all: I downloaded 8 wu from the 1a9d series on 12/20/06. They are due 01/17/07. I am currently running the 1st one - is has been running for over 36 hours (almost 37) and is at 80% - On my machine they show an estimate of 2:33:51 - will I get credit for them? should I cancel the rest of them? Any input will be helpful. Mark Reiss



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                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 5290 - Posted 24 Dec 2006 19:18:51 UTC - in response to Message 5289.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    Maybe an update of my previous message will be helpful. Result ID 261660 finished normally after about 30 hours. I have since processed another unit from this series (Result ID 263755) which also finished normally after about 34 hours. From my monitoring of these units as they were in process, I would say that it is quite impossible to gauge how long a unit may take to finish. That is, the time it takes to finish one line (or 20%) seems completely independent of the time it takes to finish the next one. Right now, all my 1a9d series units are awaiting a quorum. In fact, I believe that I am the only one to have returned any results on the WU\'s I have processed.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Given the above experience, I would guess that the chance of getting a Max CPU time error on one of these units is now minimal. However, I would be concerned about the possibility of getting a \"checkpoint\" error (as discussed in my previous message) if you need to exit and restart BOINC while processing one of these units.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Hope this helps!


                                                                                                                                                                                    Hi all: I downloaded 8 wu from the 1a9d series on 12/20/06. They are due 01/17/07. I am currently running the 1st one - is has been running for over 36 hours (almost 37) and is at 80% - On my machine they show an estimate of 2:33:51 - will I get credit for them? should I cancel the rest of them? Any input will be helpful. Mark Reiss

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