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Message 4300 - Posted 14 Oct 2006 17:27:18 UTC

    I never get any credits from this project, even though I have two dual processor machines which have done many work units. What\'s happening?
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    Message 4301 - Posted 14 Oct 2006 18:56:12 UTC - in response to Message 4300.

      I never get any credits from this project, even though I have two dual processor machines which have done many work units. What\'s happening?

      As far as I can see you downloaded 63 WUs, but sent in only 3 finished results. You will not get credits for the WUs not crunched, nor for those ended in error (whatever the reason for the error), nor for the 2 WUs that you finished after 0.14 seconds (you earned 2*0.000508181300147781 credits, but the figure is truncated to 2 decimals). The only WU that will give you credit is this one. As soon as the validator has 3 identical results, you will get your credits instantly. The third WU is not yet sent out, so you need some patience (maybe several weeks).
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      Message 4302 - Posted 14 Oct 2006 20:15:02 UTC - in response to Message 4301.

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        I never get any credits from this project, even though I have two dual processor machines which have done many work units. What\'s happening?

        As far as I can see you downloaded 63 WUs, but sent in only 3 finished results. You will not get credits for the WUs not crunched, nor for those ended in error (whatever the reason for the error), nor for the 2 WUs that you finished after 0.14 seconds (you earned 2*0.000508181300147781 credits, but the figure is truncated to 2 decimals). The only WU that will give you credit is this one. As soon as the validator has 3 identical results, you will get your credits instantly. The third WU is not yet sent out, so you need some patience (maybe several weeks).



        Holy Crap,
        I have OVER 1200+ CPU hours that have errored...
        Are you serious saying that \"No Credit\" for errors No matter what the reason?
        Now I see WHY Adam has never repied to my many posts.


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        Message 4305 - Posted 14 Oct 2006 21:35:44 UTC - in response to Message 4302.

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          Are you serious saying that \"No Credit\" for errors No matter what the reason?
          Now I see WHY Adam has never repied to my many posts.

          Well, at least the system doesn\'t grant credits for failed work units. You can ask Ádám to credit your account manually. It had happened that he gave credits to people who returned work units that couldn\'t get the necessary quorum.

          As far as I know, only climateprediction grants automatically credit for unfinished jobs, all the other projects need the OK from the validator.

          By the way, our work units crash shortly after 200 hours. How on earth did you manage to go on for 1451434 seconds = 403 hours? Maybe this performance should be worth a few credit points...
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          Message 4309 - Posted 15 Oct 2006 10:27:18 UTC - in response to Message 4301.

            I never get any credits from this project, even though I have two dual processor machines which have done many work units. What\'s happening?

            As far as I can see you downloaded 63 WUs, but sent in only 3 finished results. You will not get credits for the WUs not crunched, nor for those ended in error (whatever the reason for the error), nor for the 2 WUs that you finished after 0.14 seconds (you earned 2*0.000508181300147781 credits, but the figure is truncated to 2 decimals). The only WU that will give you credit is this one. As soon as the validator has 3 identical results, you will get your credits instantly. The third WU is not yet sent out, so you need some patience (maybe several weeks).


            The question is, why are all the WUs screwing up? 1 succesful out of 63? There is something seriously wrong with this project. I\'m on several projects and none of the others repeatedly fail WUs. Occasionally yes, but not 62/63.
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            Message 4311 - Posted 15 Oct 2006 12:17:05 UTC - in response to Message 4309.

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              The question is, why are all the WUs screwing up? 1 succesful out of 63? There is something seriously wrong with this project. I\'m on several projects and none of the others repeatedly fail WUs. Occasionally yes, but not 62/63.

              Hello Peter,

              As far as I can see from your statistics, you didn\'t send in nearly any result. Your computer 154100 downloaded 30 WUs on September 14 and by the deadline October 12 you hadn\'t sent back one single result. And your computer 154121 downloaded 33 Wus on September 14 of which you didn\'t sent back 28 results.

              Conclusion:
              * 3 results are correct (those that you finished in 0.14 sec are also correct).
              * 1 result failed because of error code -131 (that\'s bad luck, unfortunately, and belongs to the group you call \"occasionally yes\").
              * 1 result failed because of error code -177 (\"Maximum disk usage exceeded\"); you can increase it in your \"general preferences\"; Sztaki needs much less disk space than other projects, 3 MB are enough.
              * 58 results have not been sent in; what happened to them?

              In my opinion there is just the result with error code -131 that can make you unhappy. I wish you more success with the 46 WUs you just downloaded!

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              Message 4312 - Posted 15 Oct 2006 12:22:35 UTC

                I think they came up as corrupted. I\'ll force the downloaded ones to run now before the other projects and see what they do.....
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                Message 4315 - Posted 15 Oct 2006 16:09:16 UTC

                  I\'m not sure how to view my stats, but I appear to have loads of computers, all called the same thing. I only have ONE blue and ONE fx62.....

                  I don\'t understand the \"disk usage exceeded\" - another project is using 0.5GB successfully. It ain\'t me limiting it!

                  You say I have 3 correct results, but I still see no points.
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                  Message 4317 - Posted 15 Oct 2006 16:29:18 UTC - in response to Message 4315.

                    I\'m not sure how to view my stats, but I appear to have loads of computers, all called the same thing. I only have ONE blue and ONE fx62.....

                    I don\'t understand the \"disk usage exceeded\" - another project is using 0.5GB successfully. It ain\'t me limiting it!

                    You say I have 3 correct results, but I still see no points.

                    - Try to merge your computers
                    - On this project, the minimum quorum = 3 so you need to wait others users

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                    Message 4319 - Posted 15 Oct 2006 18:54:37 UTC - in response to Message 4317.


                      - Try to merge your computers


                      How do I do this?


                      - On this project, the minimum quorum = 3 so you need to wait others users


                      I see. I\'ll leave the two machines running only this project for a while and see what happens.

                      Am I right in thinking I\'ve completed 60 WUs today? I don\'t think that\'s right, the computers are taking about two hours to complete each one and I only started them off earlier today. Although I see one of the computer\'s stats shows 30 results all sent at once. Are they corrupt ones again?
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                      Message 4322 - Posted 16 Oct 2006 0:10:48 UTC - in response to Message 4319.

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                        How do I do this?

                        On the Sztaki website select \"Your account\", then \"View computers\", then select a computer you want to merge, then \"merge this computer\" and there you can select the computers you want the first one to be merged with.
                        I\'ll leave the two machines running only this project for a while and see what happens.

                        Doing that is fine, but it has no influence on the credits for your previous job. Those will be granted as soon as 3 identical results have come in, even if you stopped crunching from now on. You have nothing to do and you can\'t even do anything to get them. Just wait (up to several weeks) and you will get them. You will notice that, because of the quorum requirements, Sztaki is not suited to impatient people. Projects with lower quorum requirements and/or smaller work units are able to grant the credits faster.
                        Although I see one of the computer\'s stats shows 30 results all sent at once.

                        \"Sent\" means sent to you. The word for the sending after the processing is \"reported\".

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                        Message 4328 - Posted 16 Oct 2006 8:32:09 UTC - in response to Message 4322.

                          If a quorum of 3 successful results does not reach the server, it cannot grant any credits. To overcome this I grant credits for such workunits once every month. Be patient please, if you\'ve claimed credit, the server or me will have it granted.
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                          Message 4332 - Posted 16 Oct 2006 12:58:28 UTC - in response to Message 4322.

                            On the Sztaki website select \"Your account\", then \"View computers\", then select a computer you want to merge, then \"merge this computer\" and there you can select the computers you want the first one to be merged with.

                            Got it, thanks.
                            I\'ll leave the two machines running only this project for a while and see what happens.

                            Doing that is fine, but it has no influence on the credits for your previous job.

                            I was just trying to get a big wadge of WUs queued up for credit.
                            Those will be granted as soon as 3 identical results have come in, even if you stopped crunching from now on. You have nothing to do and you can\'t even do anything to get them. Just wait (up to several weeks) and you will get them. You will notice that, because of the quorum requirements, Sztaki is not suited to impatient people. Projects with lower quorum requirements and/or smaller work units are able to grant the credits faster.

                            I\'m not impatient, I just thought there was a problem with the project.
                            In fact I wasn\'t even able to post here until I emailed the webmaster and he fixed a missing file error. Not sure how other people were posting....


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                            Message 4333 - Posted 16 Oct 2006 12:59:40 UTC - in response to Message 4328.

                              If a quorum of 3 successful results does not reach the server, it cannot grant any credits. To overcome this I grant credits for such workunits once every month. Be patient please, if you\'ve claimed credit, the server or me will have it granted.

                              If you don\'t get some results back on time, are they then queued to be resent to another computer/user?
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                              Message 4349 - Posted 17 Oct 2006 6:19:26 UTC - in response to Message 4333.

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                                If a quorum of 3 successful results does not reach the server, it cannot grant any credits. To overcome this I grant credits for such workunits once every month. Be patient please, if you\'ve claimed credit, the server or me will have it granted.

                                If you don\'t get some results back on time, are they then queued to be resent to another computer/user?



                                On top of this (\'cause it\'s the situation I\'m in!) what happens if you subsequently return a completed unit after the deadline?

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                                Message 4350 - Posted 17 Oct 2006 6:34:55 UTC - in response to Message 4349.

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                                  […] what happens if you subsequently return a completed unit after the deadline?

                                  If the WU hasn’t yet reached quorum by the time your result arrives, missing the deadline shouldn’t matter. But if the WU has already been validated—the host(s) that got replacement result(s) having finished before you—and purged from the working database, I’m pretty sure you won’t receive any credit.
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                                  Message 4353 - Posted 17 Oct 2006 11:05:11 UTC - in response to Message 4350.

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                                    But if the WU has already been validated—the host(s) that got replacement result(s) having finished before you—and purged from the working database, I’m pretty sure you won’t receive any credit.

                                    In order to avoid redundant crunching with the person who got the replacement WU, I keep on crunching until shortly before the replacement WU is sent out. With the waiting queue we have now, this is somewhere between 12 and 13 days after the original deadline.
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                                    Message 4379 - Posted 18 Oct 2006 23:26:34 UTC

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                                      @ robert.mouris (and anybody)
                                      Feel free to use this new thread

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