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Message 4327 - Posted 16 Oct 2006 8:26:08 UTC

    Feedback for the new 2.01 windows application
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    Message 4335 - Posted 16 Oct 2006 16:42:03 UTC

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      My first W2.01 result was a success (and it finished much quicker than its original estimate). However, I noticed this host in my quorum is failing every unit it is being sent. I wonder if there is an AMD problem, a Windows 2000 problem, or a problem related to his older version of BOINC (v4.45).
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      Message 4336 - Posted 16 Oct 2006 17:41:31 UTC

        16/10/2006 16:18:05|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Starting task 247cb2c2-8265-4b56-9ded-ee6616a47bed_3b948c54-cc3c-4ac3-b35d-e8d014dca4d6_6315_1 using search version 201
        16/10/2006 16:18:06|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Unrecoverable error for result 247cb2c2-8265-4b56-9ded-ee6616a47bed_3b948c54-cc3c-4ac3-b35d-e8d014dca4d6_6315_1 ( - exit code -1073741795 (0xc000001d))
        16/10/2006 16:18:06|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Deferring scheduler requests for 1 minutes and 0 seconds
        16/10/2006 16:18:06||Rescheduling CPU: application exited
        16/10/2006 16:18:06|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Computation for task 247cb2c2-8265-4b56-9ded-ee6616a47bed_3b948c54-cc3c-4ac3-b35d-e8d014dca4d6_6315_1 finished

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        Message 4338 - Posted 16 Oct 2006 18:20:17 UTC

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          My AMD/WinXP Pro system downloaded 48 WUs this morning along with v2.01; all of them errored out immediately.

          The output files look like this:
          \'<\'core_client_version\'>\'5.4.9\'<\'/core_client_version\'>\'
          \'<\'message\'>\'
          - exit code -1073741795 (0xc000001d)
          \'<\'/message\'>\'


          P.S. Strangely, the forum doesn’t want to display the tags in the output file; I haven’t run into that problem before. When I try to ‘escape’ them by enclosing them in quotes, they become visible—but so do the quotes. At least you can see the whole thing this way …
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          Message 4339 - Posted 16 Oct 2006 18:21:55 UTC - in response to Message 4338.

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            My AMD/WinXP Pro system downloaded 48 WUs this morning along with v2.01; all of them errored out immediately.

            The output files look like this:
            \\<core_client_version\\>5.4.9\\</core_client_version\\>
            \\<message\\>
            - exit code -1073741795 (0xc000001d)
            \\</message\\>


            Same here :
            Amd Barton 3200+ - Win2k (Sp3) - CC 4.32

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            Outcome Client error
            Client state Computing
            Exit status -1073741795 (0xc000001d)
            Computer ID 4550
            Report deadline 13 Nov 2006 18:16:52 UTC
            CPU time (sec) 0
            stderr out

            < core_client_version >4.32< /core_client_version >
            < message > - exit code -1073741795 (0xc000001d)
            < /message >

            Validate state Invalid

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            that sounds to be a problem with AMD
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            Message 4340 - Posted 16 Oct 2006 18:23:49 UTC - in response to Message 4338.

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              Message 4341 - Posted 16 Oct 2006 19:07:20 UTC - in response to Message 4335.

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                My first W2.01 result was a success (and it finished much quicker than its original estimate). However, I noticed this host in my quorum is failing every unit it is being sent. I wonder if there is an AMD problem, a Windows 2000 problem, or a problem related to his older version of BOINC (v4.45).


                Looks like AMD is the common factor! My second result (and my computers have Intel processors) also finished OK; but, it was also paired with an AMD host that, like the others, is failing all its WU\'s with \"exit code -1073741795 (0xc000001d)\" errors.

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                Message 4342 - Posted 16 Oct 2006 19:29:47 UTC - in response to Message 4341.

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                  My first W2.01 result was a success (and it finished much quicker than its original estimate). However, I noticed this host in my quorum is failing every unit it is being sent. I wonder if there is an AMD problem, a Windows 2000 problem, or a problem related to his older version of BOINC (v4.45).


                  Looks like AMD is the common factor. My second result (and my computers have Intel chips) also finished OK; but, it was also paired with an AMD host that, like the others, is failing all its WU\'s with \"exit code -1073741795 (0xc000001d)\" errors.

                  Yes, you\'right.
                  Ehm, the new application for Windows seems to be promising when i see your cpu times.

                  edit :
                  But look at this wuid=16333 :
                  1 Athlon64 X2, 1 Amd Opteron and 1 Intel Xeon
                  The wu sent today didn\'t crash.
                  Are they running the new application ? I would say yes
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                  Message 4343 - Posted 16 Oct 2006 20:44:05 UTC - in response to Message 4342.

                    Yes, you\'right.
                    Ehm, the new application for Windows seems to be promising when i see your cpu times.


                    Or, I may have just been \"lucky\" and received some \"easy\" WU\'s. (I guess I have learned to be skeptical with regard to this project.) On the other hand, the fact that estimated completion times have been both reasonable and higher than the actual processing times is \"promising\".

                    Unfortunately, this AMD problem is just another in a long line of recent SZTAKI issues. W2.01 was obviously \"not ready for prime-time\" and should have been tested as a Beta application first. I have read a lot of \"I\'ve had it with SZTAKI\" posts lately and, unfortunately, this problem will only generate more. Adam needs to face facts and realize that this project should be downgraded.
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                    Message 4344 - Posted 16 Oct 2006 21:17:13 UTC - in response to Message 4342.

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                      edit :
                      But look at this wuid=16333 :
                      1 Athlon64 X2, 1 Amd Opteron and 1 Intel Xeon
                      The wu sent today didn\'t crash.
                      Are they running the new application ? I would say yes


                      And look at this Results for computer. Result ID 55635 hasn\'t failed (yet) but all the others did. Maybe some WU\'s don\'t fail on AMD processors.

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                      Message 4345 - Posted 16 Oct 2006 22:49:25 UTC - in response to Message 4344.

                        Another problem:
                        Today after few weeks break in Sztaki I downloaded few WUs. After less than 1 second I got system message:
                        search_2.01_windows_intelx86.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience.

                        There is no message from boinc\'s message tab, so I paste
                        file created by system\'s error reporting tool:

                        <?xml version=\"1.0\" encoding=\"UTF-16\"?>
                        <DATABASE>
                        <EXE NAME=\"search_2.01_windows_intelx86.exe\" FILTER=\"GRABMI_FILTER_PRIVACY\">
                        <MATCHING_FILE NAME=\"msvcp71.dll\" SIZE=\"499712\" CHECKSUM=\"0x961BEC37\" BIN_FILE_VERSION=\"7.10.3077.0\" BIN_PRODUCT_VERSION=\"7.10.3077.0\" PRODUCT_VERSION=\"7.10.3077.0\" FILE_DESCRIPTION=\"Microsoft® C++ Runtime Library\" COMPANY_NAME=\"Microsoft Corporation\" PRODUCT_NAME=\"Microsoft® Visual Studio .NET\" FILE_VERSION=\"7.10.3077.0\" ORIGINAL_FILENAME=\"MSVCP71.DLL\" INTERNAL_NAME=\"MSVCP71.DLL\" LEGAL_COPYRIGHT=\"© Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.\" VERFILEDATEHI=\"0x0\" VERFILEDATELO=\"0x0\" VERFILEOS=\"0x40004\" VERFILETYPE=\"0x2\" MODULE_TYPE=\"WIN32\" PE_CHECKSUM=\"0x8657E\" LINKER_VERSION=\"0x0\" UPTO_BIN_FILE_VERSION=\"7.10.3077.0\" UPTO_BIN_PRODUCT_VERSION=\"7.10.3077.0\" LINK_DATE=\"03/19/2003 04:14:51\" UPTO_LINK_DATE=\"03/19/2003 04:14:51\" VER_LANGUAGE=\"English (United States) [0x409]\" />
                        <MATCHING_FILE NAME=\"msvcr71.dll\" SIZE=\"348160\" CHECKSUM=\"0x448A147E\" BIN_FILE_VERSION=\"7.10.3052.4\" BIN_PRODUCT_VERSION=\"7.10.3052.4\" PRODUCT_VERSION=\"7.10.3052.4\" FILE_DESCRIPTION=\"Microsoft® C Runtime Library\" COMPANY_NAME=\"Microsoft Corporation\" PRODUCT_NAME=\"Microsoft® Visual Studio .NET\" FILE_VERSION=\"7.10.3052.4\" ORIGINAL_FILENAME=\"MSVCR71.DLL\" INTERNAL_NAME=\"MSVCR71.DLL\" LEGAL_COPYRIGHT=\"© Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.\" VERFILEDATEHI=\"0x0\" VERFILEDATELO=\"0x0\" VERFILEOS=\"0x40004\" VERFILETYPE=\"0x2\" MODULE_TYPE=\"WIN32\" PE_CHECKSUM=\"0x5F1E9\" LINKER_VERSION=\"0x0\" UPTO_BIN_FILE_VERSION=\"7.10.3052.4\" UPTO_BIN_PRODUCT_VERSION=\"7.10.3052.4\" LINK_DATE=\"02/21/2003 12:42:20\" UPTO_LINK_DATE=\"02/21/2003 12:42:20\" VER_LANGUAGE=\"English (United States) [0x409]\" />
                        <MATCHING_FILE NAME=\"search_2.01_windows_intelx86.exe\" SIZE=\"201216\" CHECKSUM=\"0x162E7BF5\" MODULE_TYPE=\"WIN32\" PE_CHECKSUM=\"0x0\" LINKER_VERSION=\"0x0\" LINK_DATE=\"10/16/2006 07:59:39\" UPTO_LINK_DATE=\"10/16/2006 07:59:39\" />
                        <MATCHING_FILE NAME=\"search_1.8_windows_intelx86.exe\" SIZE=\"200704\" CHECKSUM=\"0x57657231\" MODULE_TYPE=\"WIN32\" PE_CHECKSUM=\"0x0\" LINKER_VERSION=\"0x0\" LINK_DATE=\"05/05/2006 10:49:22\" UPTO_LINK_DATE=\"05/05/2006 10:49:22\" />
                        </EXE>
                        <EXE NAME=\"kernel32.dll\" FILTER=\"GRABMI_FILTER_THISFILEONLY\">
                        <MATCHING_FILE NAME=\"kernel32.dll\" SIZE=\"983552\" CHECKSUM=\"0x4CE79457\" BIN_FILE_VERSION=\"5.1.2600.2180\" BIN_PRODUCT_VERSION=\"5.1.2600.2180\" PRODUCT_VERSION=\"5.1.2600.2180\" FILE_DESCRIPTION=\"Windows NT BASE API Client DLL\" COMPANY_NAME=\"Microsoft Corporation\" PRODUCT_NAME=\"Microsoft® Windows® Operating System\" FILE_VERSION=\"5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)\" ORIGINAL_FILENAME=\"kernel32\" INTERNAL_NAME=\"kernel32\" LEGAL_COPYRIGHT=\"© Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.\" VERFILEDATEHI=\"0x0\" VERFILEDATELO=\"0x0\" VERFILEOS=\"0x40004\" VERFILETYPE=\"0x2\" MODULE_TYPE=\"WIN32\" PE_CHECKSUM=\"0xFF848\" LINKER_VERSION=\"0x50001\" UPTO_BIN_FILE_VERSION=\"5.1.2600.2180\" UPTO_BIN_PRODUCT_VERSION=\"5.1.2600.2180\" LINK_DATE=\"08/04/2004 07:56:36\" UPTO_LINK_DATE=\"08/04/2004 07:56:36\" VER_LANGUAGE=\"English (United States) [0x409]\" />
                        </EXE>
                        </DATABASE>

                        I\'ve never seen something like that in boinc application.

                        My system:
                        Athlon +3000 OC 2.45 GHz.
                        Win XP SP2.



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                        Message 4346 - Posted 16 Oct 2006 22:50:30 UTC - in response to Message 4345.

                          Another problem:
                          Today after few weeks break in Sztaki I downloaded few WUs. After less than 1 second I got system message:
                          search_2.01_windows_intelx86.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience.

                          There is no message from boinc\'s message tab, so I paste
                          file created by system\'s error reporting tool:

                          ??xml version=\"1.0\" encoding=\"UTF-16\"?>
                          ?DATABASE>
                          ?EXE NAME=\"search_2.01_windows_intelx86.exe\" FILTER=\"GRABMI_FILTER_PRIVACY\">
                          ?MATCHING_FILE NAME=\"msvcp71.dll\" SIZE=\"499712\" CHECKSUM=\"0x961BEC37\" BIN_FILE_VERSION=\"7.10.3077.0\" BIN_PRODUCT_VERSION=\"7.10.3077.0\" PRODUCT_VERSION=\"7.10.3077.0\" FILE_DESCRIPTION=\"Microsoft® C++ Runtime Library\" COMPANY_NAME=\"Microsoft Corporation\" PRODUCT_NAME=\"Microsoft® Visual Studio .NET\" FILE_VERSION=\"7.10.3077.0\" ORIGINAL_FILENAME=\"MSVCP71.DLL\" INTERNAL_NAME=\"MSVCP71.DLL\" LEGAL_COPYRIGHT=\"© Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.\" VERFILEDATEHI=\"0x0\" VERFILEDATELO=\"0x0\" VERFILEOS=\"0x40004\" VERFILETYPE=\"0x2\" MODULE_TYPE=\"WIN32\" PE_CHECKSUM=\"0x8657E\" LINKER_VERSION=\"0x0\" UPTO_BIN_FILE_VERSION=\"7.10.3077.0\" UPTO_BIN_PRODUCT_VERSION=\"7.10.3077.0\" LINK_DATE=\"03/19/2003 04:14:51\" UPTO_LINK_DATE=\"03/19/2003 04:14:51\" VER_LANGUAGE=\"English (United States) [0x409]\" />
                          ?MATCHING_FILE NAME=\"msvcr71.dll\" SIZE=\"348160\" CHECKSUM=\"0x448A147E\" BIN_FILE_VERSION=\"7.10.3052.4\" BIN_PRODUCT_VERSION=\"7.10.3052.4\" PRODUCT_VERSION=\"7.10.3052.4\" FILE_DESCRIPTION=\"Microsoft® C Runtime Library\" COMPANY_NAME=\"Microsoft Corporation\" PRODUCT_NAME=\"Microsoft® Visual Studio .NET\" FILE_VERSION=\"7.10.3052.4\" ORIGINAL_FILENAME=\"MSVCR71.DLL\" INTERNAL_NAME=\"MSVCR71.DLL\" LEGAL_COPYRIGHT=\"© Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.\" VERFILEDATEHI=\"0x0\" VERFILEDATELO=\"0x0\" VERFILEOS=\"0x40004\" VERFILETYPE=\"0x2\" MODULE_TYPE=\"WIN32\" PE_CHECKSUM=\"0x5F1E9\" LINKER_VERSION=\"0x0\" UPTO_BIN_FILE_VERSION=\"7.10.3052.4\" UPTO_BIN_PRODUCT_VERSION=\"7.10.3052.4\" LINK_DATE=\"02/21/2003 12:42:20\" UPTO_LINK_DATE=\"02/21/2003 12:42:20\" VER_LANGUAGE=\"English (United States) [0x409]\" />
                          ?MATCHING_FILE NAME=\"search_2.01_windows_intelx86.exe\" SIZE=\"201216\" CHECKSUM=\"0x162E7BF5\" MODULE_TYPE=\"WIN32\" PE_CHECKSUM=\"0x0\" LINKER_VERSION=\"0x0\" LINK_DATE=\"10/16/2006 07:59:39\" UPTO_LINK_DATE=\"10/16/2006 07:59:39\" />
                          ?MATCHING_FILE NAME=\"search_1.8_windows_intelx86.exe\" SIZE=\"200704\" CHECKSUM=\"0x57657231\" MODULE_TYPE=\"WIN32\" PE_CHECKSUM=\"0x0\" LINKER_VERSION=\"0x0\" LINK_DATE=\"05/05/2006 10:49:22\" UPTO_LINK_DATE=\"05/05/2006 10:49:22\" />
                          ?/EXE>
                          ?EXE NAME=\"kernel32.dll\" FILTER=\"GRABMI_FILTER_THISFILEONLY\">
                          ?MATCHING_FILE NAME=\"kernel32.dll\" SIZE=\"983552\" CHECKSUM=\"0x4CE79457\" BIN_FILE_VERSION=\"5.1.2600.2180\" BIN_PRODUCT_VERSION=\"5.1.2600.2180\" PRODUCT_VERSION=\"5.1.2600.2180\" FILE_DESCRIPTION=\"Windows NT BASE API Client DLL\" COMPANY_NAME=\"Microsoft Corporation\" PRODUCT_NAME=\"Microsoft® Windows® Operating System\" FILE_VERSION=\"5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)\" ORIGINAL_FILENAME=\"kernel32\" INTERNAL_NAME=\"kernel32\" LEGAL_COPYRIGHT=\"© Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.\" VERFILEDATEHI=\"0x0\" VERFILEDATELO=\"0x0\" VERFILEOS=\"0x40004\" VERFILETYPE=\"0x2\" MODULE_TYPE=\"WIN32\" PE_CHECKSUM=\"0xFF848\" LINKER_VERSION=\"0x50001\" UPTO_BIN_FILE_VERSION=\"5.1.2600.2180\" UPTO_BIN_PRODUCT_VERSION=\"5.1.2600.2180\" LINK_DATE=\"08/04/2004 07:56:36\" UPTO_LINK_DATE=\"08/04/2004 07:56:36\" VER_LANGUAGE=\"English (United States) [0x409]\" />
                          ?/EXE>
                          ?/DATABASE>


                          I\'ve never seen something like that in boinc application.

                          My system:
                          Athlon +3000 OC 2.45 GHz.
                          Win XP SP2.




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                          Message 4347 - Posted 16 Oct 2006 23:24:25 UTC - in response to Message 4345.

                            Today after few weeks break in Sztaki I downloaded few WUs. After less than 1 second I got system message:
                            search_2.01_windows_intelx86.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience.

                            After getting the big batch of errors I mentioned above, my AMD downloaded a half-dozen more WUs before I had a chance to stop it. (Like yours, I guess, it has only just ‘resurfaced’ here after spending several weeks working off the long-term debt it had built up during July and August.) It’s throwing up the same error dialog as you report above, each time it starts (or ends!) a task. I’ve set it to NNT now, awaiting further news.
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                            Message 4351 - Posted 17 Oct 2006 9:33:30 UTC

                              I\'ve just succesfully finished result - http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=16917
                              (other two boxes ended winthin this results errored out instantly)

                              Reading the numerous errors, reported issues etc, it is unlikely that this results (and next 20 that BOINC downloaded from SZTAKI) will ever get validated. Waste of time? Yes - for regular user. Perhaps not for testers...

                              That sayd, I\'m also in favour of downgrading SZTAKI to beta or alpha - this project is far from running flawless and this have been a long-standing.
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                              Message 4352 - Posted 17 Oct 2006 10:11:10 UTC

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                                Uff!

                                9 oranyi munka utan 0% es szamol, boinc ki bekapcs es maris kesz. ?
                                WU 16127

                                Ugyanez a jelenseg itt

                                es itt.

                                Mas WU-nal is megtortent, hogy ujrainditaskor ugrott a szazalek, de eddig azt hittem az csak kozmetikai hiba.

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                                Message 4354 - Posted 17 Oct 2006 17:15:11 UTC

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                                  It looks like I have one of those looonngggg WU\'s (WU 16191) with W2.01 (Intel \"Prescott\", 2.40GHz, Win XP Pro). It has processed a little over 4 hours so far and is still showing 0.00% progress. \"Time to completion\" is also still showing its original value of 02:07:32. I will probabaly \"hang with it\" for a few more hours. But, if it doesn\'t show any movement by then, I\'ll abort. (i.e. Having lost over 220 hours worth of work on a long W2.00 WU, I\'m not going to let the \"Max CPU time\" gremlim get me again.)
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                                  Message 4357 - Posted 17 Oct 2006 21:51:45 UTC - in response to Message 4352.

                                    Tanusíthatom. Nálam is történt már ilyen. pl. itt - persze hiba loggal :) !

                                    Uff!

                                    9 oranyi munka utan 0% es szamol, boinc ki bekapcs es maris kesz. ?
                                    WU 16127

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                                    Message 4358 - Posted 17 Oct 2006 21:54:34 UTC - in response to Message 4357.

                                      Azért ezek alapvető problémák. És már 2.01 alatt.
                                      Valahol az alapoknál vannak a bajok.
                                      Karácsonyra jól működő klienst kérek, jóváírt kreditekkel ;)

                                      Jó munkát és kitartást kívánok!
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                                      Message 4359 - Posted 17 Oct 2006 22:44:35 UTC - in response to Message 4347.

                                        Today after few weeks break in Sztaki I downloaded few WUs. After less than 1 second I got system message:
                                        search_2.01_windows_intelx86.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience.


                                        I\'m getting the same message

                                        Win XP Pro SP2
                                        Athlon XP 2200
                                        BOINC 5.4.11
                                        Running as service.
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                                        Message 4362 - Posted 18 Oct 2006 5:35:32 UTC


                                          I just downloaded some work to give the new version a try.

                                          The estimate is for one hour and 59 seconds.

                                          I\'ll abort it (and all the ready to run tasks) if it is still running tomorrow.

                                          It\'s not very promising so far 11 minutes spent and 0.00% complete.

                                          10/17/2006 10:28:48 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Starting task 1a9d6387-6dd8-4e3d-a31c-ae75a2daaf6d_ec225637-6564-4f88-bb1d-65b4bff1c0a6_3539_1 using search version 201

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                                          Message 4363 - Posted 18 Oct 2006 7:07:43 UTC

                                            I\'ve completed about 8 results since my last post with time of 1-3 hours on OC Conroe; none validated.
                                            As there is a very high error rate, I again storngly recommend to downgrade this project to alpha.

                                            (an error rate of <90-95% could be called beta, but this one has ~ 50% of errors...even some pre-alpha project are doing better)
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                                            Message 4364 - Posted 18 Oct 2006 10:40:47 UTC - in response to Message 4357.

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                                              Meg 2 off-on es kesz WU:16128 es 16212


                                              Tanusíthatom. Nálam is történt már ilyen. pl. itt - persze hiba loggal :) !

                                              Uff!

                                              9 oranyi munka utan 0% es szamol, boinc ki bekapcs es maris kesz. ?
                                              WU 16127

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                                              Message 4365 - Posted 18 Oct 2006 11:30:52 UTC

                                                Over 60 wu`s failed client error one after the other. AMD Athlon XP2400+

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                                                Message 4367 - Posted 18 Oct 2006 14:59:05 UTC - in response to Message 4362.


                                                  I just downloaded some work to give the new version a try.

                                                  The estimate is for one hour and 59 seconds.

                                                  I\'ll abort it (and all the ready to run tasks) if it is still running tomorrow.

                                                  It\'s not very promising so far 11 minutes spent and 0.00% complete.

                                                  10/17/2006 10:28:48 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Starting task 1a9d6387-6dd8-4e3d-a31c-ae75a2daaf6d_ec225637-6564-4f88-bb1d-65b4bff1c0a6_3539_1 using search version 201


                                                  I\'ve now let this work unit run for 55 minutes and it still shows ZERO percent complete - and still shows 1 hour as completion time.

                                                  I\'ve decided to SUSPEND and RESET the project until I hear it is working better.

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                                                  Message 4369 - Posted 18 Oct 2006 15:43:23 UTC

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                                                    One more shot with this project...

                                                    WU 18439
                                                    WU 18437
                                                    WU 18432
                                                    WU 18418
                                                    WU 18408
                                                    WU 18406

                                                    Estimated time to complete per WU: 49m 52s
                                                    WinXP Professional, SP2 and all relevant updates
                                                    3.0 GHz Pentium 4 with HT
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                                                    Message 4372 - Posted 18 Oct 2006 18:33:43 UTC

                                                      I shot down SZDG on 2 hosts today.
                                                      Number of all stopped hosts are -108. I can not wonder why.
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                                                      Message 4380 - Posted 19 Oct 2006 0:10:12 UTC - in response to Message 4359.

                                                        I have beem receiving a computation error for all the work units that my computer has tried to crunch.

                                                        the following windows error came up each time \"search_2.01_windows_intelx86.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience.\"

                                                        I\'m getting the same message for the following units:
                                                        18738
                                                        18238
                                                        16972
                                                        16947
                                                        16137

                                                        Win XP Pro SP2 with all relevant updates
                                                        Athlon XP 2800+ with 1 GB Ram
                                                        BOINC 5.4.11

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                                                        Message 4385 - Posted 19 Oct 2006 7:02:54 UTC

                                                          I\'ve completed this WU in ~8 hours on overclocked Conroe.
                                                          Another machine - Pentium M 1.5 GHz (which is at least twice slower) completed \"sucessfully\" in as little as 8 minutes on Linux?

                                                          http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=16908

                                                          Any explanation of that?
                                                          Or are we running rubbish?
                                                          (this is not only about 155 vs 0.65 for the same results...if we even get anything due to high error rate of this pre-alpha project)
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                                                          Message 4387 - Posted 19 Oct 2006 8:09:43 UTC - in response to Message 4385.

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                                                            I\'ve completed this WU in ~8 hours on overclocked Conroe.
                                                            Another machine - Pentium M 1.5 GHz (which is at least twice slower) completed \"sucessfully\" in as little as 8 minutes on Linux?

                                                            http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=16908

                                                            Any explanation of that?
                                                            Or are we running rubbish?
                                                            (this is not only about 155 vs 0.65 for the same results...if we even get anything due to high error rate of this pre-alpha project)

                                                            this problem is similar to this post

                                                            But though there are a lot of posts, describing multiple errors and problems, and some people assuming the algorithm is not stable ... and so on ...
                                                            - there is no official statement from Adam :(

                                                            I miss information on what\'s going on, what bugs are known, what bugs with the new version XXX solved and what bugs are left ...
                                                            The version 2.01 for windows should solve the difference between windows and Linux, or should\'t it? - now the problem seems not to be solved but now the Athlons fail in many times :(
                                                            Adam, please tell us what\'s going on, little bit more information is needed.



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                                                            Message 4388 - Posted 19 Oct 2006 12:14:26 UTC

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                                                              Update:

                                                              WU 18439 Done! Oh my God, never thought I would see that again... pending credit

                                                              WU 18437 Uh oh... locked in at 20 percent complete, and time to complete rising one second for every one second crunched. Now at ~3h and rising on CPU time and Time to Complete. Same issues as I was experiencing before.

                                                              Other WUs in my queue have not been started yet, but their estimated time to completion has dropped to 47m 36sec. We\'ll see.


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                                                              Message 4393 - Posted 19 Oct 2006 19:06:05 UTC - in response to Message 4354.

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                                                                It looks like I have one of those looonngggg WU\'s (WU 16191) with W2.01 (Intel \"Prescott\", 2.40GHz, Win XP Pro). It has processed a little over 4 hours so far and is still showing 0.00% progress. \"Time to completion\" is also still showing its original value of 02:07:32. I will probabaly \"hang with it\" for a few more hours. But, if it doesn\'t show any movement by then, I\'ll abort. (i.e. Having lost over 220 hours worth of work on a long W2.00 WU, I\'m not going to let the \"Max CPU time\" gremlim get me again.)


                                                                This WU has now processed a little over 10 hours and still shows 0.00% progress. I attempted to follow the instructions Odysseus provided here and (assuming I did it correctly) this WU has only one line (as follows):

                                                                [pos 3980] [12] [2] [3 -9 42 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 13 -2 1] [3 -9 56 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 13 -2 1] [0] [0]

                                                                Therefore (if I understand things correctly), this WU should go directly from 0% to 100% complete, if and when it finishes that one line. Am I correct in that assumption? If so, I will \"hang with it\" for a while longer.

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                                                                Message 4395 - Posted 19 Oct 2006 20:37:36 UTC - in response to Message 4393.

                                                                  Therefore (if I understand things correctly), this WU should go directly from 0% to 100% complete, if and when it finishes that one line. Am I correct in that assumption? If so, I will \"hang with it\" for a while longer.

                                                                  You are right. Now anything can happen. It may finish in 60 seconds, or in 60 hours... If you are the first to crunch this WU, you have no guidance from a fellow cruncher.

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                                                                  Message 4396 - Posted 19 Oct 2006 21:03:49 UTC - in response to Message 4395.

                                                                    You are right.


                                                                    Thank you for the quick reply!

                                                                    Now anything can happen. It may finish in 60 seconds, or in 60 hours... If you are the first to crunch this WU, you have no guidance from a fellow cruncher.


                                                                    And that\'s what makes this project so much fun! ;-)

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                                                                    Message 4401 - Posted 20 Oct 2006 16:20:13 UTC

                                                                      I have beem receiving a computation error for all the work units that my computer has tried to crunch.

                                                                      the following windows error came up each time \"search_2.01_windows_intelx86.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience.\"


                                                                      Same here. I for one don\'t mind crunching long WUs, but it\'s a waste of time when they crash immediately, both on the production side and on my side of the process. So I won\'t try any more WUs here until the problem is solved. My PC is an \"Athlon 2200+\" running XP, if that helps.
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                                                                      Message 4402 - Posted 20 Oct 2006 17:17:06 UTC

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                                                                        Update on WU progress:

                                                                        WU 18439 Completed and reported successfully and pending credit
                                                                        WU 18437 ~8hrs and counting on CPU time, stuck at 20 percent, 49 line WU (I think, if I\'m correctly viewing the file in the BOINC project folder)
                                                                        WU 18432 Completed successfully in 1h 46m and ready to report
                                                                        WU 18418 Running, 14m CPU time so far, 44 percent complete
                                                                        WU 18408 ready to work
                                                                        WU 18406 ready to work
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                                                                        Message 4403 - Posted 20 Oct 2006 20:02:09 UTC - in response to Message 4401.

                                                                          I have beem receiving a computation error for all the work units that my computer has tried to crunch.

                                                                          the following windows error came up each time \"search_2.01_windows_intelx86.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience.\"


                                                                          Same here. I for one don\'t mind crunching long WUs, but it\'s a waste of time when they crash immediately, both on the production side and on my side of the process. So I won\'t try any more WUs here until the problem is solved. My PC is an \"Athlon 2200+\" running XP, if that helps.


                                                                          The WUs that have recorded failed participation in the six I highlighted below are all AMD. Hmm.

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                                                                          Message 4405 - Posted 20 Oct 2006 21:01:44 UTC

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                                                                            What does


                                                                            APP: Output is empty, placing msg in out.txt


                                                                            mean? my guess is that it isn\'t good. What\'s odd is that two nearly identical boxes (WinXP Pro, SP2, P4; 3.06 GHz and 3.40 GHz; both using version 2.01) cruched the same WU and yet one managed to get a result and the other got an \"empty result.\" Any ideas?
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                                                                            Message 4412 - Posted 21 Oct 2006 13:58:56 UTC

                                                                              Completed 22 results with success (85 hours on overclocked Conroe).
                                                                              None get validated yet due to high error rate of this (alpha) project.

                                                                              I think application works fine on Intel based CPUs. We have seen Linux only alpha projects (or Windows only alpha project), but SZTAKI is Intel only - LOL


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                                                                              Message 4413 - Posted 21 Oct 2006 14:25:43 UTC - in response to Message 4412.

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                                                                                Completed 22 results with success (85 hours on overclocked Conroe).
                                                                                None get validated yet due to high error rate of this (alpha) project.

                                                                                I think application works fine on Intel based CPUs. We have seen Linux only alpha projects (or Windows only alpha project), but SZTAKI is Intel only - LOL


                                                                                The application 2.01 can crash on older Intel cpus like this one
                                                                                GenuineIntel
                                                                                x86 Family 6 Model 8 Stepping 10 (999MHz)
                                                                                A Celeron ? A P3 ?
                                                                                or this one
                                                                                A Celeron 1300

                                                                                edit :
                                                                                According an user, the application will run also on some Amd cpus like A64...
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                                                                                Message 4417 - Posted 21 Oct 2006 20:04:11 UTC - in response to Message 4412.

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                                                                                  I think application works fine on Intel based CPUs. We have seen Linux only alpha projects (or Windows only alpha project), but SZTAKI is Intel only - LOL

                                                                                  My G5 Mac (CPU made by IBM) hasn’t had an error or validation failure yet, in a month of crunching, but more than half its results are still pending. I don’t have enough recent results from my G4s (Motorola or IBM) to get much idea of how they’re doing, but earlier this year they were showing a fairly high proportion—around 20% IIRC—invalid, so I’m quite pleased with the G5’s record so far. OTOH my (Intel) Celeron system got an error twelve hours into its first recent WU; it’s working on another now, still with v2.00. The next task it downloads should be accompanied by the v2.01 search app … we’ll see how it does then …
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                                                                                  Message 4444 - Posted 23 Oct 2006 19:58:55 UTC

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                                                                                    More info on \"Output is Empty\"

                                                                                    Only my 21b342bd (all 1 line WUs) results have empty output. Of the 11 WUs that I have cruched, 5 have returned empty with seemingly no favor to which application version is used (1 of 2 crunched with W2.00 returned empty, while 4 of 9 crunched with W2.01 returned empty). Same WU on different machine can give both \"good\" result and empty result (see this post).
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                                                                                    Message 4447 - Posted 24 Oct 2006 4:48:28 UTC

                                                                                      Some very successful work units.
                                                                                      Completing in about 48 minutes or less -
                                                                                      On target with the estimates.
                                                                                      Looking much, much better!
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                                                                                      10/23/2006 9:10:35 PM||Rescheduling CPU: application exited
                                                                                      10/23/2006 9:10:35 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Computation for task 247cb2c2-8265-4b56-9ded-ee6616a47bed_ba7b708b-b59c-4252-9190-145d1fc315b4_11287_0 finished
                                                                                      10/23/2006 9:10:36 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Starting task 247cb2c2-8265-4b56-9ded-ee6616a47bed_ccb53657-be5d-4ce8-8071-da2d114234b5_11288_1 using search version 201
                                                                                      10/23/2006 9:10:38 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Started upload of file 247cb2c2-8265-4b56-9ded-ee6616a47bed_ba7b708b-b59c-4252-9190-145d1fc315b4_11287_0_0
                                                                                      10/23/2006 9:10:38 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Started upload of file 247cb2c2-8265-4b56-9ded-ee6616a47bed_ba7b708b-b59c-4252-9190-145d1fc315b4_11287_0_1
                                                                                      10/23/2006 9:10:41 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Finished upload of file 247cb2c2-8265-4b56-9ded-ee6616a47bed_ba7b708b-b59c-4252-9190-145d1fc315b4_11287_0_1
                                                                                      10/23/2006 9:10:41 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Throughput 2506 bytes/sec
                                                                                      10/23/2006 9:10:41 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Started upload of file 247cb2c2-8265-4b56-9ded-ee6616a47bed_ba7b708b-b59c-4252-9190-145d1fc315b4_11287_0_2
                                                                                      10/23/2006 9:10:43 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Finished upload of file 247cb2c2-8265-4b56-9ded-ee6616a47bed_ba7b708b-b59c-4252-9190-145d1fc315b4_11287_0_0
                                                                                      10/23/2006 9:10:43 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Throughput 926 bytes/sec
                                                                                      10/23/2006 9:10:43 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Finished upload of file 247cb2c2-8265-4b56-9ded-ee6616a47bed_ba7b708b-b59c-4252-9190-145d1fc315b4_11287_0_2
                                                                                      10/23/2006 9:10:43 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Throughput 395 bytes/sec
                                                                                      10/23/2006 9:10:43 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Started upload of file 247cb2c2-8265-4b56-9ded-ee6616a47bed_ba7b708b-b59c-4252-9190-145d1fc315b4_11287_0_3
                                                                                      10/23/2006 9:10:43 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Started upload of file 247cb2c2-8265-4b56-9ded-ee6616a47bed_ba7b708b-b59c-4252-9190-145d1fc315b4_11287_0_4
                                                                                      10/23/2006 9:10:47 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Finished upload of file 247cb2c2-8265-4b56-9ded-ee6616a47bed_ba7b708b-b59c-4252-9190-145d1fc315b4_11287_0_3
                                                                                      10/23/2006 9:10:47 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Throughput 907 bytes/sec
                                                                                      10/23/2006 9:10:47 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Finished upload of file 247cb2c2-8265-4b56-9ded-ee6616a47bed_ba7b708b-b59c-4252-9190-145d1fc315b4_11287_0_4

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                                                                                      Message 4448 - Posted 24 Oct 2006 6:47:33 UTC

                                                                                        When now a application \'optimized\' for the instructions SSE and 3DNow ??
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                                                                                        Message 4457 - Posted 24 Oct 2006 9:27:32 UTC - in response to Message 4448.

                                                                                          Test feedback needed for AMD friendly code. Update available here
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                                                                                          Message 4480 - Posted 24 Oct 2006 21:23:16 UTC

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                                                                                            Search 2.01 still chugging along, three success stories so far as far as my P4 3GHz HT machine is concerned. The other three are in progress...

                                                                                            WU 18439
                                                                                            WU 18432
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                                                                                            Message 4488 - Posted 25 Oct 2006 17:28:21 UTC - in response to Message 4393.

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                                                                                              As the saying goes: \"Burn me once, shame on you; burn me twice, shame on me!\"

                                                                                              Well, \"shame on me\", for staying with WU 16191 for so long. Somewhere over 80 hours of work down the drain. I had to restart my computer a little while ago and when BOINC booted back up, WU 16191 went from 0.00% to 100.00% and uploaded. And when I looked at my Result ID 55050, I saw that it says: \"Output is empty, placing msg in out.txt\".

                                                                                              It looks like I have one of those looonngggg WU\'s (WU 16191) with W2.01 (Intel \"Prescott\", 2.40GHz, Win XP Pro). It has processed a little over 4 hours so far and is still showing 0.00% progress. \"Time to completion\" is also still showing its original value of 02:07:32. I will probabaly \"hang with it\" for a few more hours. But, if it doesn\'t show any movement by then, I\'ll abort. (i.e. Having lost over 220 hours worth of work on a long W2.00 WU, I\'m not going to let the \"Max CPU time\" gremlim get me again.)


                                                                                              This WU has now processed a little over 10 hours and still shows 0.00% progress. I attempted to follow the instructions Odysseus provided here and (assuming I did it correctly) this WU has only one line (as follows):

                                                                                              [pos 3980] [12] [2] [3 -9 42 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 13 -2 1] [3 -9 56 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 13 -2 1] [0] [0]

                                                                                              Therefore (if I understand things correctly), this WU should go directly from 0% to 100% complete, if and when it finishes that one line. Am I correct in that assumption? If so, I will \"hang with it\" for a while longer.


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                                                                                              Message 4489 - Posted 25 Oct 2006 20:15:02 UTC - in response to Message 4488.

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                                                                                                As the saying goes: \"Burn me once, shame on you; burn me twice, shame on me!\"

                                                                                                Here we say that an intelligent donkey bumps only once into the wall!
                                                                                                Somewhere over 80 hours of work down the drain. And when I looked at my Result ID 55050, I saw that it says: \"Output is empty, placing msg in out.txt\".

                                                                                                I don\'t think that it\'s bad. In my opinion this means just that this result doesn\'t contain a matrix that the mathematicians can use for their purpose. Knowing this is as important to them as knowing that they can use it.

                                                                                                I had this message already several times and got my credits as soon as the quorum was 3. So I\'m convinced that the result was correct and useful, and that yours is probably also correct. You can only know definitely in a few weeks, after result 55051 drops in and after result 102526 is sent out (in about 10 to 15 days) and crunched. Good luck! I\'m also interested in the outcome and will keep an eye on this WU.
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                                                                                                Message 4491 - Posted 25 Oct 2006 21:36:11 UTC - in response to Message 4489.

                                                                                                  As the saying goes: \"Burn me once, shame on you; burn me twice, shame on me!\"

                                                                                                  Here we say that an intelligent donkey bumps only once into the wall!
                                                                                                  Somewhere over 80 hours of work down the drain. And when I looked at my Result ID 55050, I saw that it says: \"Output is empty, placing msg in out.txt\".

                                                                                                  I don\'t think that it\'s bad. In my opinion this means just that this result doesn\'t contain a matrix that the mathematicians can use for their purpose. Knowing this is as important to them as knowing that they can use it.

                                                                                                  I had this message already several times and got my credits as soon as the quorum was 3. So I\'m convinced that the result was correct and useful, and that yours is probably also correct. You can only know definitely in a few weeks, after result 55051 drops in and after result 102526 is sent out (in about 10 to 15 days) and crunched. Good luck! I\'m also interested in the outcome and will keep an eye on this WU.


                                                                                                  Robert,

                                                                                                  Thank you (again) for the reply! I will try to do a better job of \"looking out for walls\" in the future. Whether I get credit for this unit (or not) isn\'t that important. I am more frustrated by the possible \"waste of CPU time\".

                                                                                                  Given the way my WU exited, I strongly suspect a \"bug\" in the program. That is, I find it highly unlikely, that, after 80+ hours of processing, my WU would finish the very second BOINC resumed processing it after my computer \"restart\". A few days ago, I had attempted to \"shake this WU loose\" by following the advice Nightbird provided in this post, but simply \"suspending\" and \"resuming\" it did not do anything. I would note that my \"Leave applications in memory while preempted?\" preference is set to \"Yes\" (if that makes any difference). I remember reading somewhere on these boards that SZTAKI may not be able to write \"checkpoints\" between \"lines\". Therefore, even though this WU had over 80 hours of processing, it may have never been able to write a \"checkpoint\" since it never completed a \"line\". If that was the case, I wonder if it really had been \"processing\" all that time or if it had gotten \"hung up\" somewhere in the algorithm and couldn\'t finish. Your theory that an \"empty output\" is OK would imply that my unit had \"hung up\". On the other hand, if the program was still processing that one line when it was interrupted by the restart, the \"empty output\" is not OK. In either case, I would say there is a \"bug\" in the program.

                                                                                                  I am interested in hearing your thoughts on this bit of \"speculation\".

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                                                                                                  Message 4494 - Posted 26 Oct 2006 5:50:00 UTC - in response to Message 4491.

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                                                                                                    Given the way my WU exited, I strongly suspect a \"bug\" in the program. That is, I find it highly unlikely, that, after 80+ hours of processing, my WU would finish the very second BOINC resumed processing it after my computer \"restart\". A few days ago, I had attempted to \"shake this WU loose\" by following the advice Nightbird provided in this
                                                                                                    post, but simply \"suspending\" and \"resuming\" it did not do anything.

                                                                                                    Until recently I thought that this was just a display error when after restart the percentage jumps from 40% to 60%: the program wouldn\'t display the last percentage but the second last one, and only if again a new line is crunched, then the program displays the previously reached percentage. This sounds strange and would be a bug, but I didn\'t worry because it doesn\'t affect the processing behind.

                                                                                                    Later I had a WU that jumped to 100% on restart and this surprised me. I thought that it was a coincidence. And then AsteriX reported it also, and now you. This is bad indeed. Does it mean that the program doesn\'t finish its processing until the end, or if it had done it until the end, what was it doing just before restart? On the other hand, these WUs are validated correctly. I\'m really puzzled now, and hope that the Sztaki programmers will check this.

                                                                                                    Suspending and restarting a WU doesn\'t work either with me, I must \"file - exit\" BOINC and restart it to make the percentage jump.
                                                                                                    I remember reading somewhere on these boards that SZTAKI may not be able to write \"checkpoints\" between \"lines\". Therefore, even though this WU had over 80 hours of processing, it may have never been able to write a \"checkpoint\" since it never completed a \"line\". If that was the case, I wonder if it really had been \"processing\" all that time or if it had gotten \"hung up\" somewhere in the algorithm and couldn\'t finish.

                                                                                                    You created 1 checkpoint for this result: \"APP: Restarting from checkpoint: Lines processed so far 1\".

                                                                                                    I am convinced that Sztaki writes checkpoints between the lines. I shut down my system every morning at more or less the same time. Without checkpoints it could never finish a line that takes more than 23 hours, but it did (unless the processing speed is much faster on the second day than on the first, because the program would be caught in a loop on the first day and not on the second day). How the program writes checkpoints while in a deep recursion loop is beyond my understanding, but obviously it can do it.
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                                                                                                    Message 4499 - Posted 26 Oct 2006 14:26:40 UTC - in response to Message 4494.

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                                                                                                      You created 1 checkpoint for this result: \"APP: Restarting from checkpoint: Lines processed so far 1\".


                                                                                                      I had seen that, too, but I interpreted it this way: The checkpoint (which may have been the only checkpoint ever written for this WU) was \"forced\" and was written just prior to the \"shutdown\" portion of my \"restart\". When the SZATKI app resumed processing, the checkpoint was \"faulty\". The program couldn\'t resume from the point where it was interrupted; but, instead of starting over from the beginning, it mistakenly \"thought\" Line 1 had been completed.

                                                                                                      I am convinced that Sztaki writes checkpoints between the lines. I shut down my system every morning at more or less the same time. Without checkpoints it could never finish a line that takes more than 23 hours, but it did (unless the processing speed is much faster on the second day than on the first, because the program would be caught in a loop on the first day and not on the second day). How the program writes checkpoints while in a deep recursion loop is beyond my understanding, but obviously it can do it.


                                                                                                      Your experience would seem to contradict my hypothesis. So, obviously, there are more factors effecting this issue than we understand at this time. In the experience you cite above, have you ever had a \"1 Line WU\" similar to mine?

                                                                                                      Edit: Do you know if \"Lines\" are independent entities? Or, for example, does the completion of Line \"n\" ever depend on the successful completion of Line \"n-1\" ? If Lines are independent, then I suppose a multi-line WU could \"fail\" some lines (in a manner similar the way my single-line WU \"failed\") but successfully finish other lines.
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                                                                                                      Message 4501 - Posted 26 Oct 2006 19:03:24 UTC

                                                                                                        Two remaining WUs failed, that is, they would not resume calculating after 60 minutes BOINC \"time between applications\" preference.

                                                                                                        WU 18437, stuck after about 15h
                                                                                                        WU 18418, stuck after about 30sec

                                                                                                        Reset project and immediately downloaded four more 2.01 WUs. We\'ll see how those go, successfully calculated and returned four out of the last six WUs.

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                                                                                                        Message 4502 - Posted 26 Oct 2006 19:04:32 UTC - in response to Message 4499.

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                                                                                                          In the experience you cite above, have you ever had a \"1 Line WU\" similar to mine?

                                                                                                          I had no example ready to quote, so I crunched this one on purpose. After the 2nd checkpoint I shut down and restarted the PC. And I got exactly what you had described: the WU finished immediately, got the message \"output is empty...\" and is apparently correct as credits are claimed and are pending. I compare with the result from computer 171186 which restarted also after a checkpoint, got the same message, but needed 4 times longer. As this computer isn\'t 4 times slower than mine (both Windows AMD), I suppose that the time difference is just because this computer was shut down later than mine. This is indeed not very reassuring. (By the way, it is still the W2.00 release, maybe it will be fixed with W2.01? First I will finish the WUs I have now, and then I wait for Nightbird asking us to download again. Now I can\'t test the \"output is empty...\" with release W2.01.)
                                                                                                          Do you know if \"Lines\" are independent entities?

                                                                                                          Honestly, I\'ve never thought about this! I think that it is just to get a convenient WU size. How can we know?

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                                                                                                          Message 4503 - Posted 26 Oct 2006 19:34:39 UTC - in response to Message 4502.

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                                                                                                            By the way, it is still the W2.00 release, maybe it will be fixed with W2.01? First I will finish the WUs I have now, and then I wait for Nightbird asking us to download again. Now I can\'t test the \"output is empty...\" with release W2.01.


                                                                                                            I don\'t think so. My long unit (Result ID 55050) was processed with W2.01. Or, maybe I have misunderstood your point (above).

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                                                                                                            Message 4505 - Posted 27 Oct 2006 0:54:54 UTC

                                                                                                              Adam,
                                                                                                              It seems all the new WUs (13 so far) I\'m receiving on the Pentium III are failing, as soon as they start, with this message:

                                                                                                              10/26/2006 8:50:09 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Unrecoverable error for result 1a9d6387-6dd8-4e3d-a31c-ae75a2daaf6d_242f359c-08d2-49ee-9481-7f4638ee3cb5_858_3 ( - exit code -1073741795 (0xc000001d))

                                                                                                              Add The (8) WUs with over 1600 CPU hours that never received Credit....

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                                                                                                              Message 4506 - Posted 27 Oct 2006 1:20:40 UTC - in response to Message 4505.

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                                                                                                                Adam,
                                                                                                                It seems all the new WUs (13 so far) I\'m receiving on the Pentium III are failing, as soon as they start, with this message:

                                                                                                                10/26/2006 8:50:09 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Unrecoverable error for result 1a9d6387-6dd8-4e3d-a31c-ae75a2daaf6d_242f359c-08d2-49ee-9481-7f4638ee3cb5_858_3 ( - exit code -1073741795 (0xc000001d))

                                                                                                                Add The (8) WUs with over 1600 CPU hours that never received Credit....

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                                                                                                                Message 4514 - Posted 27 Oct 2006 12:48:19 UTC

                                                                                                                  Anticipating 100 percent failure of WUs I have downloaded (I am CPU 143136). Not good. I am resetting and detaching from this project.

                                                                                                                  WU 1431
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                                                                                                                  Message 4528 - Posted 29 Oct 2006 14:46:36 UTC

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                                                                                                                    Athlon XP SSE1 (Thoroughbread 1800+) crashes 2.01 WUs immediately with 0xc000001d (ILLEGAL_INSTRUCTION)

                                                                                                                    They seem to work on Pentium M SSE2 though (at least one WU survived the first 3 minutes already) so it might be just very bad compiler options, not a bug in the application.


                                                                                                                    If this has been done intentionally, it should be mentioned somewhere on the front page in bold letters

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                                                                                                                    Message 4529 - Posted 29 Oct 2006 15:30:56 UTC

                                                                                                                      On my system (Athlon XP 2800) all WU\'s are failing. I use Windows XP Home Edition
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                                                                                                                      Message 4530 - Posted 29 Oct 2006 16:02:53 UTC - in response to Message 4529.

                                                                                                                        On my system (Athlon XP 2800) all WU\'s are failing. I use Windows XP Home Edition

                                                                                                                        Set the project to \'No new tasks\' on your Athlon 2800+.
                                                                                                                        It will work on your Pentium 4.

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                                                                                                                        Message 4543 - Posted 30 Oct 2006 20:48:32 UTC - in response to Message 4529.

                                                                                                                          On my system (Athlon XP 2800) all WU\'s are failing. I use Windows XP Home Edition


                                                                                                                          same here but i have XP pro Sp2
                                                                                                                          i suspended work till it gets fixed
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                                                                                                                          Message 4544 - Posted 30 Oct 2006 20:57:22 UTC - in response to Message 4543.

                                                                                                                            On my system (Athlon XP 2800) all WU\'s are failing. I use Windows XP Home Edition


                                                                                                                            same here but i have XP pro Sp2
                                                                                                                            i suspended work till it gets fixed

                                                                                                                            See here, please.
                                                                                                                            And yes, suspend the project.

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                                                                                                                            Message 4552 - Posted 31 Oct 2006 20:29:30 UTC

                                                                                                                              OK... one more shot at this...
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                                                                                                                              Message 4562 - Posted 2 Nov 2006 13:30:32 UTC

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                                                                                                                                Five recent WU downloads going swimmingly, which is nice... however, I have far less WUs in progress and on my machine than my user stats show? The only units I have on my machine are the ones with the 11/28 due date.

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                                                                                                                                I did reset and detach from the project out of frustrationrecently, cancelling about four WUs. But they\'re still showing up? I would think they would\'ve cleared out/deleted. I have merged hosts when SZTAKI correctly assigned a new ID when I reattached last week.
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                                                                                                                                Message 4563 - Posted 2 Nov 2006 15:32:15 UTC

                                                                                                                                  Any thoughts on what this error might mean?

                                                                                                                                  11/2/2006 10:36:08 AM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Reporting 3 tasks
                                                                                                                                  11/2/2006 10:36:13 AM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Scheduler request succeeded
                                                                                                                                  11/2/2006 10:36:16 AM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Couldn\'t delete file projects/szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu_szdg/in.txt_1e27ab22-8aa3-44cc-8262-12030ba83015
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                                                                                                                                  Message 4568 - Posted 3 Nov 2006 0:27:28 UTC - in response to Message 4562.

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                                                                                                                                    I did reset and detach from the project out of frustrationrecently, cancelling about four WUs. But they\'re still showing up? I would think they would\'ve cleared out/deleted.

                                                                                                                                    Resetting a BOINC project ditches everything—app(s), docs, work units & all—and starts over. It should only be done as a last resort or when there are no queued tasks on board. After the reset BOINC has a ‘clear slate’, so it will have nothing to report about the previous files; they might as well have never existed. Accordingly the server won’t know anything’s happened to the affected results, until they miss their deadlines.
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                                                                                                                                    Message 4569 - Posted 3 Nov 2006 2:22:10 UTC

                                                                                                                                      Can anyone tell me what is going to happen to this Result #24710

                                                                                                                                      Two of us finished - but the quorum isn\'t reached.
                                                                                                                                      And the last work unit is still unsent...

                                                                                                                                      24710 16967 24 Sep 2006 5:12:13 UTC 25 Sep 2006 6:23:44 UTC Over Success Done 77,196.02 137.98 pending
                                                                                                                                      24711 169223 24 Sep 2006 3:30:21 UTC 24 Sep 2006 3:31:46 UTC Over Client error Computing 0.00 0.00 ---
                                                                                                                                      24712 2161 24 Sep 2006 4:15:28 UTC 11 Oct 2006 4:59:03 UTC Over Success Done 67,480.19 115.55 pending
                                                                                                                                      31396 170473 29 Sep 2006 3:10:57 UTC 27 Oct 2006 3:10:57 UTC Over No reply New 0.00 --- ---
                                                                                                                                      127422 --- --- --- Unsent Unknown New --- --- ---


                                                                                                                                      Result ID 24710
                                                                                                                                      Name 247cb2c2-8265-4b56-9ded-ee6616a47bed_4c2ebc92-16bb-4934-8300-66d44f5eed0f_4236_0
                                                                                                                                      Workunit 8237
                                                                                                                                      Created 14 Sep 2006 20:47:05 UTC
                                                                                                                                      Sent 24 Sep 2006 5:12:13 UTC
                                                                                                                                      Received 25 Sep 2006 6:23:44 UTC
                                                                                                                                      Server state Over
                                                                                                                                      Outcome Success
                                                                                                                                      Client state Done
                                                                                                                                      Exit status 0 (0x0)
                                                                                                                                      Computer ID 16967
                                                                                                                                      Report deadline 22 Oct 2006 5:12:13 UTC
                                                                                                                                      CPU time (sec) 77196.015625
                                                                                                                                      stderr out

                                                                                                                                      <core_client_version>5.4.9</core_client_version>
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                                                                                                                                      Initialized: Lines to process 100
                                                                                                                                      Starting with line 1
                                                                                                                                      scan: boinc_lockfile
                                                                                                                                      scan: dc-api.conf
                                                                                                                                      scan: dc_ckpt_out
                                                                                                                                      scan: dc_clientlog.txt
                                                                                                                                      scan: dc_stderr.txt
                                                                                                                                      scan: dc_stdout.txt
                                                                                                                                      scan: in.txt
                                                                                                                                      scan: init_data.xml
                                                                                                                                      scan: msvcp71.dll
                                                                                                                                      scan: msvcr71.dll
                                                                                                                                      scan: out.txt
                                                                                                                                      scan: search_2.00_windows_intelx86.exe
                                                                                                                                      scan: stderr.txt
                                                                                                                                      scan: stdout.txt
                                                                                                                                      No heartbeat from core client for 31 sec - exiting
                                                                                                                                      Initialized: Lines to process 100
                                                                                                                                      Restarting from checkpoint: Lines processed so far 93
                                                                                                                                      Restarting line 93
                                                                                                                                      scan: boinc_lockfile
                                                                                                                                      scan: dc-api.conf
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                                                                                                                                      scan: stdout.txt
                                                                                                                                      No heartbeat from core client for 31 sec - exiting
                                                                                                                                      Initialized: Lines to process 100
                                                                                                                                      Restarting from checkpoint: Lines processed so far 93
                                                                                                                                      Restarting line 93
                                                                                                                                      scan: boinc_lockfile
                                                                                                                                      scan: dc-api.conf
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                                                                                                                                      scan: stdout.txt
                                                                                                                                      No heartbeat from core client for 31 sec - exiting
                                                                                                                                      Initialized: Lines to process 100
                                                                                                                                      Restarting from checkpoint: Lines processed so far 93
                                                                                                                                      Restarting line 93
                                                                                                                                      scan: boinc_lockfile
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                                                                                                                                      scan: out.txt
                                                                                                                                      scan: search_2.00_windows_intelx86.exe
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                                                                                                                                      scan: stdout.txt
                                                                                                                                      No heartbeat from core client for 31 sec - exiting
                                                                                                                                      Initialized: Lines to process 100
                                                                                                                                      Restarting from checkpoint: Lines processed so far 93
                                                                                                                                      Restarting line 93
                                                                                                                                      scan: boinc_lockfile
                                                                                                                                      scan: dc-api.conf
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                                                                                                                                      Initialized: Lines to process 100
                                                                                                                                      Restarting from checkpoint: Lines processed so far 95
                                                                                                                                      Restarting line 95
                                                                                                                                      scan: boinc_lockfile
                                                                                                                                      scan: dc-api.conf
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                                                                                                                                      End of process: Number of lines processed: 100
                                                                                                                                      Input processed...notifying core client
                                                                                                                                      [581818181]

                                                                                                                                      </stderr_txt>

                                                                                                                                      Validate state Initial
                                                                                                                                      Claimed credit 137.984402122433
                                                                                                                                      Granted credit 0
                                                                                                                                      application version 2.00
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                                                                                                                                      Message 4570 - Posted 3 Nov 2006 6:26:13 UTC - in response to Message 4569.

                                                                                                                                        Can anyone tell me what is going to happen to this Result #24710

                                                                                                                                        Two of us finished - but the quorum isn\'t reached.
                                                                                                                                        And the last work unit is still unsent...

                                                                                                                                        24710 16967 24 Sep 2006 5:12:13 UTC 25 Sep 2006 6:23:44 UTC Over Success Done 77,196.02 137.98 pending
                                                                                                                                        24711 169223 24 Sep 2006 3:30:21 UTC 24 Sep 2006 3:31:46 UTC Over Client error Computing 0.00 0.00 ---
                                                                                                                                        24712 2161 24 Sep 2006 4:15:28 UTC 11 Oct 2006 4:59:03 UTC Over Success Done 67,480.19 115.55 pending
                                                                                                                                        31396 170473 29 Sep 2006 3:10:57 UTC 27 Oct 2006 3:10:57 UTC Over No reply New 0.00 --- ---
                                                                                                                                        127422 --- --- --- Unsent Unknown New --- --- ---

                                                                                                                                        The deadline on #31396, itself a replacement for #24711, only expired a few days ago. A lot of hosts are bogged down with long WUS, but within a few days someone should be downloading & starting to crunch the unsent third replacement, #127422. Beyond that I’m hesitant to make predictions, but note that the WU has only two failed results so far, so its prospects of validation are still reasonably good.
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                                                                                                                                        Message 4573 - Posted 3 Nov 2006 13:51:26 UTC

                                                                                                                                          Faith slowly being restored in this project... 4/5 results successfully crunched and pending credit.

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                                                                                                                                          Message 4593 - Posted 6 Nov 2006 3:00:05 UTC - in response to Message 4502.

                                                                                                                                            I had no example ready to quote, so I crunched this one on purpose. After the 2nd checkpoint I shut down and restarted the PC. And I got exactly what you had described: the WU finished immediately, got the message \"output is empty...\" and is apparently correct as credits are claimed and are pending. I compare with the result from computer 171186 which restarted also after a checkpoint, got the same message, but needed 4 times longer. As this computer isn\'t 4 times slower than mine (both Windows AMD), I suppose that the time difference is just because this computer was shut down later than mine. This is indeed not very reassuring. (By the way, it is still the W2.00 release, maybe it will be fixed with W2.01? First I will finish the WUs I have now, and then I wait for Nightbird asking us to download again. Now I can\'t test the \"output is empty...\" with release W2.01.)


                                                                                                                                            I now have Result ID 124426 \"In Progess\". Although, it is a 10 Line WU, it may be exhibiting similar behavior to the \"1 Liners\" previously discussed here. That is, it appeared to be \"stuck\" at 50% for several hours when I needed to restart my computer. When it resumed processing after the restart, it immediately jumped to 60%. It is \"still crunching\" at 60% (about an hour later). Hopefully, it can finish before I will need to restart again (tomorrow). And, I will be interested to find out if the result turns out to be another \"output is empty...\"
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                                                                                                                                            Message 4617 - Posted 8 Nov 2006 21:47:20 UTC - in response to Message 4593.

                                                                                                                                              I had no example ready to quote, so I crunched this one on purpose. After the 2nd checkpoint I shut down and restarted the PC. And I got exactly what you had described: the WU finished immediately, got the message \"output is empty...\" and is apparently correct as credits are claimed and are pending. I compare with the result from computer 171186 which restarted also after a checkpoint, got the same message, but needed 4 times longer. As this computer isn\'t 4 times slower than mine (both Windows AMD), I suppose that the time difference is just because this computer was shut down later than mine. This is indeed not very reassuring. (By the way, it is still the W2.00 release, maybe it will be fixed with W2.01? First I will finish the WUs I have now, and then I wait for Nightbird asking us to download again. Now I can\'t test the \"output is empty...\" with release W2.01.)


                                                                                                                                              I now have Result ID 124426 \"In Progess\". Although, it is a 10 Line WU, it may be exhibiting similar behavior to the \"1 Liners\" previously discussed here. That is, it appeared to be \"stuck\" at 50% for several hours when I needed to restart my computer. When it resumed processing after the restart, it immediately jumped to 60%. It is \"still crunching\" at 60% (about an hour later). Hopefully, it can finish before I will need to restart again (tomorrow). And, I will be interested to find out if the result turns out to be another \"output is empty...\"


                                                                                                                                              Result ID 124426 is now finished. But, unfortunately, it was caught in the \"Too many total results\" trap. That problem aside, I wonder whether it would have validated anyway. The 50% to 60% \"jump\" (described above) makes me doubt that the 6th line was completed properly. However, after Line 6, the processing seemed to proceed as it should have - even resuming from the Line 6 checkpoint several times (because I restarted computer several times between Line 6 and 7). Given the fact that these restarts were further apart than my preference for Checkpointing, this seems to be a confirmation that the program only writes checkpoints after completing a Line. Finally, I noticed something \"a little strange\" in the results stderr_txt file. That is, \"scan: einstein_S5R1_4.24_windows_intelx86.exe\" is listed several times. Anybody have an explantion for that?


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                                                                                                                                              Message 4618 - Posted 8 Nov 2006 22:19:44 UTC

                                                                                                                                                The 2.01 client is a whole lot faster than 2.00. That\'s good. What\'s not so good is that it means the quorum for some of my pending work units is being met a whole lot quicker and I\'m getting a lot less credit than I would have done if we stuck with the old client.

                                                                                                                                                I have several thousand pending credits. I\'ll be lucky to get a thousand in all, despite the many many hours I contributed on high end hardware.
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                                                                                                                                                Message 4621 - Posted 9 Nov 2006 5:13:36 UTC - in response to Message 3723.

                                                                                                                                                  Thats it folks for me too. I am sick and tired of looking at a counter which seems to lie? I will purge all my WU on one of my machines which has been rebooting it self and i will start crunching when i see a visable change in the attitude of people handing out these dude WU\'s.

                                                                                                                                                  Unbelievable
                                                                                                                                                  I still had 15 days to the deadline but it had timed out.
                                                                                                                                                  This is the result resultid=69425

                                                                                                                                                  Just wasted 174 hrs.
                                                                                                                                                  I was letting run because it was making progress, 69% the last time I checked.

                                                                                                                                                  When you get things fixed up I\'ll crunch again till then I\'m out here!


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                                                                                                                                                  Message 4625 - Posted 9 Nov 2006 16:06:59 UTC

                                                                                                                                                    Hi

                                                                                                                                                    2.01 appears to be a failure with win98. all current units failing.
                                                                                                                                                    2.00 were completing OK

                                                                                                                                                    thank you
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                                                                                                                                                    Message 4626 - Posted 9 Nov 2006 16:30:38 UTC - in response to Message 4625.

                                                                                                                                                      Hi

                                                                                                                                                      2.01 appears to be a failure with win98. all current units failing.
                                                                                                                                                      2.00 were completing OK

                                                                                                                                                      thank you



                                                                                                                                                      It\'s not Win98 that\'s the problem, it\'s the processor. Read this thread.

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