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Message 5396 - Posted 5 Jan 2007 14:50:42 UTC

    about 30 WUs waiting for pending credit. See WU 11406 and 12668. Both with 4 results yet STILL PENDING CREDITS???

    Also list of pending credits NOT same as list in RESULTS
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    Message 5418 - Posted 8 Jan 2007 11:22:28 UTC

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      even this wu is not getting credit even with 6 sucessful results.
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      Message 5439 - Posted 11 Jan 2007 21:43:27 UTC

        I was also wondering why i\'m waiting on this one too? http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=9137
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        Message 5443 - Posted 11 Jan 2007 22:47:20 UTC - in response to Message 5418.

          even this wu is not getting credit even with 6 sucessful results.


          Geeze. One of them that worked on that WU crunched for 14 days.
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          Message 5491 - Posted 18 Jan 2007 11:51:58 UTC - in response to Message 5443.

            even this wu is not getting credit even with 6 sucessful results.


            Geeze. One of them that worked on that WU crunched for 14 days.


            You want to see large wus then look at this one
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            Message 5504 - Posted 20 Jan 2007 16:33:05 UTC

              same problem here:
              on my Account: pending credits 0 but in the results:
              wu 15745 \"pending\" (returned oct 21) although 7 results waiting for validation
              wu 15738 \"pending\" (returned oct 30) 6 results ...
              wu 15743 \"pending\" (returned nov 11) 3 results ...

              Which status is SZTAKI? Beta? Alpha? Pre-alpha?
              Should i have wasted over 200 hours of computing time? SZTAKI was stopped since november 2006 and it only starts again, if the project works reasonably.

              Apology for my poor english
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              Message 5510 - Posted 21 Jan 2007 3:57:02 UTC

                All of them, at least the ones I checked, seem to have \"Checked, but no consensus yet\".

                And, what is \"concensus\"?

                Consensus has two common meanings. One is a general agreement among the members of a given group or community. The other is as a theory and practice of getting such agreements.

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                Message 5709 - Posted 14 Feb 2007 5:27:38 UTC

                  It appears NO ANSWER from the moderator/administrator??? What good is it to do this work and not get a reply? WU 11406 still has multiple completions yet STILL Pending since Oct 2006.

                  Shame on you for you lack of support!

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                  Message 5710 - Posted 14 Feb 2007 6:40:32 UTC - in response to Message 5709.

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                    It appears NO ANSWER from the moderator/administrator??? What good is it to do this work and not get a reply? WU 11406 still has multiple completions yet STILL Pending since Oct 2006.

                    Shame on you for you lack of support!

                    If you check the wu 11406 (resultid=93313), you will see that you got credit for it (Granted credit = 69.660485320559).
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                    Message 5728 - Posted 19 Feb 2007 23:24:18 UTC

                      I have over 1700 credits pending, some for over a month, eg:
                      Name 247cb2c2-8265-4b56-9ded-ee6616a47bed_1165fd0d-d956-4974-859d-990c70b733a6_52081_0
                      Workunit 89951
                      Created 14 Jan 2007 19:01:05 UTC
                      Sent 19 Jan 2007 1:24:10 UTC
                      Received 19 Jan 2007 8:17:04 UTC
                      Server state Over
                      Outcome Success
                      AND:
                      Name 21b342bd-9be3-49d2-8c12-48e176df7b34_e31ec414-e1c3-43f5-b899-b6fa6d62ca26_7183_5
                      Workunit 58957
                      Created 25 Jan 2007 12:56:32 UTC
                      Sent 26 Jan 2007 17:17:37 UTC
                      Received 4 Feb 2007 13:55:06 UTC
                      Server state Over
                      Outcome Success

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                      Message 5746 - Posted 22 Feb 2007 15:26:17 UTC - in response to Message 5710.

                        It appears NO ANSWER from the moderator/administrator??? What good is it to do this work and not get a reply? WU 11406 still has multiple completions yet STILL Pending since Oct 2006.

                        Shame on you for you lack of support!

                        If you check the wu 11406 (resultid=93313), you will see that you got credit for it (Granted credit = 69.660485320559).


                        NIGHTBIRD... I have checked, and Checked again... as of today 2/22/07 I have NOT received credit... it is still pending.
                        I notice that WU 11406 is listed in MY results as still pending, I click on WU 11406 and it shows it as pending... yet further clicking on \"results id\" 93313 it shows as granted. So It reports as both granted and pending??? In either case... WHEN do I get the Credit?

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                        Message 5762 - Posted 28 Feb 2007 8:19:57 UTC

                          Definitely a bug of some sort in the credit reporting ...
                          I show 48.82 on the \"Your Account\" Page
                          0.0 on the \"Pending credit\" page
                          84.79 for host 254849 on the \"Your computers\" page
                          (where I can\'t seem to merge hosts at all)
                          on the \"Results for computer\" page for host 254849 there is nothing but a pending of 35.98 (the difference between the granted on the \"Your Account\" and \"Your computers\" pages)

                          I notice that the \"pending\" portion is part of a WU (86812) that is not completed even though my machine finished it\'s part and it looks like the WU won\'t be granted as complete until at least deadline Mar 20th?

                          Probably relates to mr. spry\'s bitching and moaning. (Peace robert!)

                          I do not envy you in your task of keeping things going and making all the participants happy ...

                          Here\'s hoping that you find serenity amidst the madness of this process.

                          Aloha,
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                          Message 5764 - Posted 28 Feb 2007 14:00:50 UTC - in response to Message 5396.

                            Due to the server upgrade I\'ve been successfully able to grant credits for results that have long been pending...

                            Hopefully, no more questionable cases remain, but in case you still find some credits waiting to be granted, please notify me. And once again sorry, for the long wait, but upgrading our server wasn\'t an easy task. Anyways, future upgrades will hopefully be easier and from now on our server\'s software will be able to keep track with the development in Berekely.
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                            Message 5782 - Posted 1 Mar 2007 11:54:26 UTC

                              I\'ve also got these to add to the list.
                              one over three months old.
                              2260 http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=2260
                              1842 http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=1842
                              16273 http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=16273
                              1121 http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=1121
                              926 http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=926
                              1836 http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/workunit.php?wuid=1836
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                              Message 5783 - Posted 1 Mar 2007 14:11:56 UTC

                                These two WU\'s show all 4 results returned successfully and \"pending\". In both cases, 3 out of 4 show \"checked but no consensus yet\"; but, the fourth shows \"initial\". Just wondering if the validator program is stuck:

                                107936
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                                Message 5784 - Posted 1 Mar 2007 14:37:01 UTC - in response to Message 5783.

                                  Yes, the validator is stopped just now.
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                                  Message 5785 - Posted 1 Mar 2007 15:00:12 UTC - in response to Message 5784.

                                    Yes, the validator is stopped just now.


                                    Thanks Robert! (I should have thought to check server status myself.)

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                                    Message 5787 - Posted 1 Mar 2007 19:49:06 UTC

                                      What about the issue of computers that end up turning in the last sucessful results for a wu which then gives all the users their awaiting credits, But the person who turned the last result in for that wu get\'s a big fat 0 ? Running 35 hours on a wu for 0 credits is a joke. If I ran anymore for this project (Which I won\'t until this is addressed), I surely would abort any work unit I may get, When I see that I am the last of the users to run it for credit validation.
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                                      Message 5788 - Posted 1 Mar 2007 22:55:30 UTC

                                        Here\'s hoping that the \"merge hosts\" issue is also on your list.

                                        Thanks for doing all that you do, including the research that is what this project is all about (even if some are more concerned with their personal social status relating to the credit granted).
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                                        Message 5789 - Posted 1 Mar 2007 23:29:24 UTC - in response to Message 5788.

                                          personal social status relating to the credit granted

                                          I knew already that we can\'t buy anything with our credits, nor that we can\'t take them with us to our next life. But that they can give us personal social status... that\'s new!!

                                          And I was so naive to think that it\'s all about science, the 12th dimension, then the 13th dimension etc., and after that we start combing through ternary systems. If the purpose of life is just crunching a certain amount of time and getting credit points for this, why should we put all that strain on the Hungarian mathematicians? They could give us a project where our computers run endlessly a loop counting from 1 to 1000 and start again and again. No trouble with validations or quorum, just credits, immediately!

                                          Sorry for being sarcastic, but I\'m unhappy that I must wait so long until the project works again and is worth crunching.

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                                          Message 5790 - Posted 2 Mar 2007 0:01:46 UTC - in response to Message 5788.

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                                            Thanks for doing all that you do, including the research that is what this project is all about (even if some are more concerned with their personal social status relating to the credit granted).

                                            I can’t speak for anyone else, but AFAIC the significance of lost credits isn’t merely a matter of “personal social status”. Rather, work that doesn’t receive credit is also failing to advance the project’s scientific goals, so represents a waste of time & effort all round.
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                                            Message 5791 - Posted 2 Mar 2007 0:49:36 UTC - in response to Message 5788.

                                              Here\'s hoping that the \"merge hosts\" issue is also on your list.

                                              Thanks for doing all that you do, including the research that is what this project is all about (even if some are more concerned with their personal social status relating to the credit granted).



                                              Not wanting to repeat my original problem again, Please read this post Ironheart: http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/forum_thread.php?id=409

                                              The fact is, I did everything I could possibly do to avoid the situation that I am in now, I ran the entire wu, Posted what happened right afterwards, And asked for some type of action before the wu was purged so he could look at the wu, and analize it for the problem. Well, To date, I haven\'t even gotten one response from the Adm. No explinations of why it happens, what the plan for it not happening to someone else in the future might be, Not even a Opps Sorry. Instead a complete lack of response to me and my posts equals a complete lack of respect to me as a user also, A lack of concern of the problem, Lack of concern of the wasted cpu time, my electrical bill, etc.

                                              Since as far as this project is concerned to me, There appears no gratitude whatsoever as far as the project goes for my efforts, So at least he could do is give some type of response (To which obviously isn\'t happening yet), Or give me the credits earned (To which probably will not happen either). I have one main computer that does the majority of my BOINC Work, I am a hands on type cruncher that takes all projects seriously and with respect, and expect the same from them for me, I know the risks of alpha/beta projects and also except the errors that goes with them. But to add to that, a complete lack of respect of my efforts I don\'t expect or accept. If you feel all i\'m/we are about is the credits or the \"personal social status \" of them whatever that really means, Than I say you are the one thats misguided.
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                                              Message 5814 - Posted 4 Mar 2007 8:16:44 UTC

                                                perhaps a little perspective will soothe those who have allowed me to be Adam\'s scapegoat for your passions ... to all I say \'Ni\'

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                                                Message 5815 - Posted 4 Mar 2007 8:34:52 UTC

                                                  P.S. I\'m so grateful to have power again tonight and to see that you actually care enough to respond, even sarcastically or with implied insult. My measured IQ of 165+ is still very challenged when the four 120V solar panels and the little AirX windmill get behind on the batteries charging and my generator throws a rod and blows a hole through the casing ...
                                                  but I\'m not starving or living in a war zone or having to deal with new servers or software upgrades or feeling unappreciated for not get credits for dedicating my extra CPU cycles to a IMNSHO worthy cause in progress ...
                                                  just glad I joined SETI@home back in 2003 and have the opportunity to participate both in all the projects and this forum ...
                                                  can you imagine being born in one of the more unstable regions of this world and growing up wondering which of your relatives will be blown up today by a truly misguided soul who believes that suicide is a solution?
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                                                  Message 5823 - Posted 4 Mar 2007 20:39:29 UTC - in response to Message 5814.

                                                    to all I say \'Ni\'



                                                    Did you just say \"NI\" to me ? If so, Then I Fart in your general direction ...



                                                    Now go away, Or I shall taunt you for a second time !


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                                                    Message 5825 - Posted 4 Mar 2007 21:18:30 UTC

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                                                      @Ironheart
                                                      You\'re a funny guy but frankly i think that perhaps you need \"a little perspective\". ;)
                                                      Robert Mouris and Odysseus have a big experience here.
                                                      Gamma^Ray is perhaps a \"beginner\" here (like you) but i understand his feeling.
                                                      But don\'t worry, you\'re not Adam\'s scapegoat. :)
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                                                      Message 5828 - Posted 4 Mar 2007 23:10:08 UTC

                                                        With due recognition of all who are generating the positive energies which help to resolve the difficulties ... I shall (lest I appear anymore as a \"beginner\" instead of the old fart of a Prolog expert-system programmer that I have been) retreat to Castle Anthrax to sample as much peril as I can ... Please don\'t endeavor to rescue me as, \"I can tackle this lot single-handed! Honestly, I can cope. I can handle this lot easily. There\'s only 150 of them!\"
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                                                        Message 5829 - Posted 4 Mar 2007 23:38:45 UTC

                                                          @Ironheart
                                                          Welcome here ;)
                                                          Keep crunching, cheerfully and good-humouredly and in the difficulty \"grin\".

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                                                          Message 5830 - Posted 4 Mar 2007 23:46:34 UTC

                                                            And some good vibes toward the fellows at Leiden as well ... with a \"wink\" added to the difficult \"grin\"
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                                                            Message 5833 - Posted 5 Mar 2007 3:07:20 UTC - in response to Message 5828.

                                                              With due recognition of all who are generating the positive energies which help to resolve the difficulties ... I shall (lest I appear anymore as a \"beginner\" instead of the old fart of a Prolog expert-system programmer that I have been) retreat to Castle Anthrax to sample as much peril as I can ... Please don\'t endeavor to rescue me as, \"I can tackle this lot single-handed! Honestly, I can cope. I can handle this lot easily. There\'s only 150 of them!\"

                                                              Bet you don’t care whether or not you get credit for that mission, either. ;)
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                                                              Message 5868 - Posted 9 Mar 2007 12:31:49 UTC - in response to Message 5814.

                                                                perhaps a little perspective will soothe those who have allowed me to be Adam\'s scapegoat for your passions ... to all I say \'Ni\'

                                                                Ironheart, I think a made some mess recently. I certainly didn\'t want to imply you personnally. It just happened that you had formulated so well what I had on my mind and that\'s why I quoted your words about the personal social status. In no case I intend to make you a scapegoat in this project. How could I? You enjoy the privilege of being here only for a few weeks, much less than we \"old\" crunchers have fought with the difficulties. You are certainly not to blame! I admit that it was not clever to write the text immediately after yours and to quote some of your words. Please forgive me if you feel hurt.

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                                                                Message 5941 - Posted 18 Mar 2007 21:19:16 UTC - in response to Message 5814.

                                                                  perhaps a little perspective will soothe those who have allowed me to be Adam\'s scapegoat for your passions ... to all I say \'Ni\'

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