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Fritz
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Message 5517 - Posted 22 Jan 2007 10:38:30 UTC

    WU #56837

    This WU has been returned with a SUCCESS result 6 times.
    Each of the Successes has Validate skipped for a result.
    Credit granted is 0 to all 6 with reason given being too many successful results.

    This one should be looked at to see what happened.
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    Message 5521 - Posted 22 Jan 2007 17:50:13 UTC - in response to Message 5517.

      WU #56837

      This WU has been returned with a SUCCESS result 6 times.
      Each of the Successes has Validate skipped for a result.
      Credit granted is 0 to all 6 with reason given being too many successful results.

      This one should be looked at to see what happened.


      Another victim of the \"empty output\" results. Each of the six successfully returned results had the empty output (which could mean that none of them actually finished). It\'s a checkpointing issue that I, as well as others in the forum, have seen numerous times. Unfortunately, the WU is no good and your only hope for getting credit is if Adam manually grants them, which happens from time to time (but not often).

      This is nothing new(see here) and has not been fixed yet. My suggestion to avoid this from happening is to let BOINC run without rebooting your computer or exiting BOINC, and setting your preferences to \"leave app in memory while preempted\"

      Happy crunching!
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      Message 5528 - Posted 23 Jan 2007 8:45:56 UTC

        Yep I try to keep comp up 24/7 and do have the \"Leave app in memory\" on. Still lose one now and again due to updates & occasionally the cat.

        Was just bringing this one up as it is fairly new & I missed the checkpointing error when I looked at it.

        Still getting too many successes all with error state returns is an interesting result. Validate Skipped due to error should cause the result to be changed to error.

        Hopefully this will get fixed someday. Til then these WUs will need to be crunched by machines that are able to finish without interruption. With the incorrect return status they will be ashcanned due to \"too many successes\".
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        Message 5530 - Posted 23 Jan 2007 13:05:34 UTC

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          I think that the limit must be set again to 10/20/10. A few weeks ago I downloaded many very long recycled WUs. All of them have seemingly valid results, but contain the famous \"empty\" message. About 10 of them are in a hopeless situation, like this one. It has 3 \"successful\" but empty results. I crunched without stopping and even if the 2 next crunchers do so, the WU will be rejected because there are 6 results. And then I have 70 WUs that are just on the brink of failing. If the next 3 people crunch it without interruption, they might pass validation, but if only 1 cruncher fails to do so (downloading error, system crash, impatience...), everything has been in vain. As we need between 50 and 80 hours to crunch one of these, the waste will be considerable.

          What can I do? Aborting them might solve my personal problem, but then happens exactly what I am afraid of. The others will work for the cat, as Germans would say. And if I go on crunching them, I will work \"für die Katz\".

          I am convinced that the 5/8/5 limit must be raised again for all WUs, also for those already issued, exactly as Ádám did on December 5th. And that it must be done URGENTLY, as the deadline for my 174 WUs is January 28th and 29th.
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          Message 5555 - Posted 25 Jan 2007 13:39:28 UTC

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            Meanwhile many results have been sent in, also by computers which had missed the deadline. Most of the recent results don\'t have the \"empty\" message. It is encouraging that the knowledge about not stopping Boinc is spreading, as the old results reported in December are nearly all wrong. At that time we believed that results should be interrupted to make them continue, but we were wrong.

            So I give them a chance. If nobody stops them it can work, and I don\'t want to be a spoilsport. Some of the WUs may be saved.

            Nevertheless I believe that the 5/8/5 limit should be raised again.
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            Message 5566 - Posted 26 Jan 2007 4:27:19 UTC - in response to Message 5555.

              Meanwhile many results have been sent in, also by computers which had missed the deadline. Most of the recent results don\'t have the \"empty\" message. It is encouraging that the knowledge about not stopping Boinc is spreading, as the old results reported in December are nearly all wrong. At that time we believed that results should be interrupted to make them continue, but we were wrong.

              So I give them a chance. If nobody stops them it can work, and I don\'t want to be a spoilsport. Some of the WUs may be saved.

              Nevertheless I believe that the 5/8/5 limit should be raised again.


              Has anyone ever give a reason why it was lowered?
              10,20,10 what is the downside?

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