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Message 6039 - Posted 6 Apr 2007 17:45:47 UTC

    I have only a couple of WU\'s that have yet to be granted credits, so until then I have decided to suspend any new tasks from the project. I just want to make sure that the processing time I\'m contributing is making a difference, and credit is being granted accordingly.

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    Message 6041 - Posted 7 Apr 2007 8:04:38 UTC

      I now have something like 130 WUs stacked up in the pending stack, and a number of WUs that are done still hanging around on my lists.

      I am suspending all work until your servers can catch up.

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      Message 6046 - Posted 8 Apr 2007 9:39:47 UTC - in response to Message 6041.

        Having seen I have 2.8 days of processing waiting for credits, I went and looked at my previous awarded points.

        There is something amiss with how credit is granted on this project.

        Besides long, long waits, when you do get points they do not make sense.

        I\'m sending my processing elsewhere. Bye.
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        Message 6049 - Posted 9 Apr 2007 8:12:50 UTC

          Since March 22th i got only 2 times credits granted, rest is still pending.
          The result from 22th even vanished - don\'t know if i got credits for it.

          I suspend till i see things are working fine.
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          Message 6072 - Posted 12 Apr 2007 15:03:01 UTC

            I assume since we are all stacking up pending results that the validator is ill. At least it is down a lot. Maybe I missed this, but what is the problem with the validator?

            Jim

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            Message 6073 - Posted 13 Apr 2007 1:33:13 UTC

              Like those who have already posted in this thread, I am very dissapointed in the number of WU\'s with a credit status of \"pending.\"

              I\'m not in distributed computing for the points, but that is the only measure I have of the effectiveness of the computing power I donate.

              Whereas:

              *I have 100 or so WU\'s with pending credit,

              *Several of my WU\'s that consumed in the vicinity of 40 HOURS of processor time received either a tiny fraction of the claimed credit, or no credit at all,

              *This problem affects computers running both WinXp and Windows Vista,

              Therefore: I will take NO NEW WORK

              The four hours per day that my three processors have been fruitlessly expending on this project will go to some project(s) that can at least give me evidence that my contibution is not wasted.
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              Message 6074 - Posted 13 Apr 2007 6:53:20 UTC

                I think a message from the project organisers will be helpful here please, preferably a message shown on the main page. Why is the validater not working? Is anything being done to fix it? Why do WUs take 40 hours and yet only receive minimal credit? Credit is the only way I know that reassures me that I\'m making a useful contribution to the project and that my work has been recognised/appreciated. I joined the project only this week, but I\'ve not had any indication I\'m making a difference, ie I\'m still on zero total credit.

                I\'ve still got some WUs in progress, but when they\'re done, I\'ll have a short break from this project while the organisers sort these problems out.

                Once the problems have been fixed, I\'ll be happy to give the project another go.

                xrobert

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                Message 6077 - Posted 13 Apr 2007 21:32:00 UTC

                  I keep wondering when Adam will make some comments of what is happening with this project. There have been problems with credit, pending credits, etc. etc.
                  Many people are writing messages and not getting answers.

                  I would like to return to Sztaki - I look everyday!! to see if anything is being done about the problems and only see more messages of problems.

                  The last time I returned a WU was 15 November 2006. (other than the one I tried yesterday when I had nothing to do - now it is pending)

                  Last year, before all the problems came up, I was running Sztaki and PrimeGrid almost exclusively. I really like the project that Sztaki has, but I will not waste my time on something that is not working.

                  Adam, look at the numbers!!! At one time there were many, many more active CPU\'s working for this project. Many, including me, would come back if we knew that things were being fixed.

                  I have been a member since 16 August 2005.

                  Maybe Adam is not with this project anymore??

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                  Message 6085 - Posted 15 Apr 2007 23:20:15 UTC - in response to Message 6074.

                    I think a message from the project organisers will be helpful here please, preferably a message shown on the main page. Why is the validater not working? Is anything being done to fix it? Why do WUs take 40 hours and yet only receive minimal credit? Credit is the only way I know that reassures me that I\'m making a useful contribution to the project and that my work has been recognised/appreciated. I joined the project only this week, but I\'ve not had any indication I\'m making a difference, ie I\'m still on zero total credit.

                    I\'ve still got some WUs in progress, but when they\'re done, I\'ll have a short break from this project while the organisers sort these problems out.

                    Once the problems have been fixed, I\'ll be happy to give the project another go.

                    xrobert


                    I think this reflects my position too. The scientists are getting the benefit of my donation but I get nothing in return on a timely basis.

                    I have 500+ pts awaiting validation / confirmation. Waiting multiple weeks is not good.

                    I am also not pleased when my client claims 200 points and I get credited 0.3 pts :-( The facts that errors occur is not my fault, it is the fault of Sztaki\'s software. If I invest 200 pts worth of time, that is what I should get :-(

                    Cheers,

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                    Message 6086 - Posted 16 Apr 2007 1:42:56 UTC

                      I must chime in with my 2cents. I have over 3000 credis waiting since March 2nd.

                      I will be suspending work until the credits reflect the work done.
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                      Message 6088 - Posted 16 Apr 2007 9:58:10 UTC

                        I have not received any credit since 8th April 2007. I have over 9400 pending credits. I am running my computer day and night since september 2006 (I do ocassionally reboot my computer!). Now I am not complaining then why should the other people complain. I am sure there must be a very good reason on why there is no feedback from the moderators. (maybe SZTAKI is understaffed and the moderators are overworked).
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                        Message 6089 - Posted 16 Apr 2007 14:49:57 UTC

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                          Csak a munka? Zsetonosztás meg sehol ápr. 7-8-óta? A Validator server miatt, mert az áll? Circa 100ezer pending kreditem vár, ha 20% jogos az sem kevés...pláne, ha több...
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                          Message 6091 - Posted 16 Apr 2007 18:28:17 UTC - in response to Message 6088.

                            I have not received any credit since 8th April 2007. I have over 9400 pending credits. I am running my computer day and night since september 2006 (I do ocassionally reboot my computer!). Now I am not complaining then why should the other people complain. I am sure there must be a very good reason on why there is no feedback from the moderators. (maybe SZTAKI is understaffed and the moderators are overworked).

                            We (you and me) are in the same boat.
                            What i can say (the last news), is that Adam is working on the validator and he hopes that it will be up and running in 2 days.



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                            Message 6092 - Posted 16 Apr 2007 18:43:48 UTC - in response to Message 6088.

                              I have not received any credit since 8th April 2007. I have over 9400 pending credits. I am running my computer day and night since september 2006 (I do ocassionally reboot my computer!). Now I am not complaining then why should the other people complain. I am sure there must be a very good reason on why there is no feedback from the moderators. (maybe SZTAKI is understaffed and the moderators are overworked).


                              I agree. So what if the credits are late. The real goal to me is helping get the project done. Yeah, it is fun to see credits increase, but what I would really like to see is some math advanced. That is the real payoff. I tend not to put much stock in the beliefs that the project personnel and/or the moderators don\'t care about the operation of the project. After all, it is still THEIR project and I believe that want to see it finished.

                              It would be nice to get some feedback now and then but I really want the validator fixed and so do the project folks. I\'ll just crunch away until and after the problems are sorted out.

                              Jim

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                              Message 6093 - Posted 17 Apr 2007 2:45:09 UTC - in response to Message 6092.

                                I agree. So what if the credits are late. The real goal to me is helping get the project done. Yeah, it is fun to see credits increase, but what I would really like to see is some math advanced. That is the real payoff. I tend not to put much stock in the beliefs that the project personnel and/or the moderators don\'t care about the operation of the project. After all, it is still THEIR project and I believe that want to see it finished.

                                It would be nice to get some feedback now and then but I really want the validator fixed and so do the project folks. I\'ll just crunch away until and after the problems are sorted out.

                                Jim


                                If I had any reason to believe that the WU\'s my computers are completing were actually advancing the project, I would continue crunching indefinitely for NO CREDIT at all. However, in the absence of credits, I require some evidence that I\'m not just wasting processor cycles.

                                Some feedback (ANY feedback) from the project organizer(s) would go a long way toward dispelling my concerns that I\'m wasting time. Like you, I feel a dedication to pure Math, for its own sake. Unlike you, I believe, at this time, that my 100 or so pending WU\'s are just so many null results.

                                I fear the application itself is as buggy as the validator.

                                Until I get some evidence to the contrary, I must consider SZTAKI only an expensive way to heat my apartment.
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                                Message 6098 - Posted 17 Apr 2007 21:52:19 UTC

                                  I just happened to notice that the validator program is running (at least for the moment). I also looked at my results page and saw that several units have been given credit. But, I also saw a couple of zeroes in the list (on units that were probably OK). So, there may still be some problems with the validator. These are my zero WU\'s:

                                  wuid=139719
                                  wuid=137510
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                                  Message 6099 - Posted 18 Apr 2007 0:38:46 UTC - in response to Message 6098.

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                                    I just happened to notice that the validator program is running (at least for the moment). I also looked at my results page and saw that several units have been given credit. But, I also saw a couple of zeroes in the list (on units that were probably OK). So, there may still be some problems with the validator. These are my zero WU\'s:

                                    wuid=139719
                                    wuid=137510


                                    Here is a small sample of my 0 credit workunits.

                                    wuid=197681
                                    wuid=130812
                                    wuid=181996

                                    Examining these results it would seem likely that \"minimum quorum\" does not mean what I think it means. In all three of the above cases, the third computer to report a result got zero credits, despite the fact that the third reporting computer was required to achieve a quorum.

                                    If the scheduler keeps sending out a workunit until it comes back three times with good results, but the validator only awards credit to the first two, then something is amiss. If the project only requires two computers to \"agree\" on a workunit, then why bother even sending it out the third time???

                                    This last workunit, yet another big fat 0, is especially interesting

                                    wuid=160822

                                    In this one, my computer seems to have been the second to report, but I got the zero credit for some reason. That\'s irrelevant to me, becuase I don\'t run SZTAKI for the credits

                                    What\'s significant in the above result is the two clients whose status is \"Client detached.\" Those two users may never return =(

                                    It is precisely that which makes it so important to report results in a timely fashion, and to communicate problems (and anticipated solutions) to the people who donate their CPU cycles to this (or any other) distributed computing project.

                                    For the record, despite the apparent remaining bugs in the validation system, I am resuming new work.

                                    Respectfully,
                                    David
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                                    Message 6100 - Posted 18 Apr 2007 3:27:05 UTC - in response to Message 6099.

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                                      Examining these results it would seem likely that \"minimum quorum\" does not mean what I think it means. ...

                                      ...three times with good results, ...

                                      Respectfully,
                                      David


                                      yup - you are correct that you don\'t understand...

                                      I had this same misunderstanding a few month ago.

                                      The definitions seem a bit counter-intuitive.
                                      Check the wiki or the boinc site.

                                      If I remember correctly, QUORUM of 3 only means that 3 results were RETURNED.

                                      NOT that they agree.

                                      Which not to say that there aren\'t many problems with this project - as you respectfully pointed out.

                                      phil


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                                      Message 6101 - Posted 18 Apr 2007 6:56:33 UTC - in response to Message 6099.

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                                        This last workunit, yet another big fat 0, is especially interesting

                                        wuid=160822

                                        In this one, my computer seems to have been the second to report

                                        The last one to report has strange messages. I don\'t understand what\'s going on, but it seems that (error) messages from the Burp project intermingled with Sztaki messages.

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                                        Message 6115 - Posted 18 Apr 2007 21:28:55 UTC

                                          Popped back today because suddenly 500 credits appeared against my SZAKI total. I gave up taking SZAKI WU in January because of the apparent problems with credit/validation.
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