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Message 802 - Posted 31 Aug 2005 12:25:55 UTC

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    Boinc 5.1.1 has entered the arena in Alpha and Beta testing. Yet, because this project is depending on a Boinc 4.x class version, I am now no longer able to get SZTAKI work units.

    31/08/2005 14:24:15|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Sending scheduler request to http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/cgi-bin/scheduler
    31/08/2005 14:24:15|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Reason: To fetch work
    31/08/2005 14:24:15|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Requesting 30 seconds of work, returning 1 results
    31/08/2005 14:24:20|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Scheduler request to http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/cgi-bin/scheduler succeeded
    31/08/2005 14:24:20|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: Need major version 4 of the BOINC core client. You have 5.
    31/08/2005 14:24:20|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|No work from project
    31/08/2005 14:24:25|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Deferring communication with project for 23 hours, 59 minutes, and 54 seconds


    So I request that you add compatibility for clients above 4.xx ..

    I can return to 4.72 for the moment, or wait until you change.
    (Work units crunch correctly with 5.xx, as seen <a href="http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/result.php?resultid=45907">here</a>)
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    Message 803 - Posted 31 Aug 2005 13:47:37 UTC

      Is it a good idea to support a platform that is in it's testing phase? I don't see the reason. Please enlighten me!
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      Message 804 - Posted 31 Aug 2005 15:34:48 UTC

        <i>Is it a good idea to support a platform that is in it's testing phase? I don't see the reason. Please enlighten me!</i>
        Very likely SZTAKI DG will have to be compatible at some point.
        May as well find out early if there are any problems.

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        Message 805 - Posted 31 Aug 2005 15:35:20 UTC

          The 5.xx.xx will be the next Boinc client. So if you want to test if it works with your project, it might be a good idea to add it.

          I dread to think about all the people who have installed it and find they can no longer run SZTAKI. I went back to 4.72 for now, also due to a No New Work bug in the 5.1.1 client, but when a new one is released I'll go back to testing it. Especially since it has the updated "estimated time to completion" bug fixes, which already work out quite well with SZTAKI in 4.72


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          Message 814 - Posted 3 Sep 2005 15:47:20 UTC

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            <i>I dread to think about all the people who have installed it and find they can no longer run SZTAKI</i>

            These Boinc V5.x.x are alpha and are for the Boinc Alpha users (or testers).
            These messages (Message from server: Need major version 4 of the BOINC core client. You have 5.
            No work from project) are not new.
            Why people don't ask before installing a "new" core If it supported by the project ?
            The major problem is that many people download it because it's New but don't think that they can get problems because it's a development version ...
            For now this version has also a bug : the "no new work" doesn't work any longer.

            Yes, probably the next CC but if not too many bugs.
            The server of the project Einstein would be also the only one working with the version 5.

            Adam, perhaps it would be interesting for your crunchers that you think about the transition from the CC 4 to the CC 5 from now. ;)


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            Message 816 - Posted 4 Sep 2005 11:51:17 UTC

              I just downloaded a SZTAKI WU with BOINC v5.1.1 installed, so it seems we will still be able to run the Project with the new version. I haven't finished a WU with it yet though to see what happens when I turn it in ...

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              Message 817 - Posted 4 Sep 2005 12:23:56 UTC

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                For now this version has also a bug : the "no new work" doesn't work any longer.
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                It seems to work for me, at least it changes to Allow New Work when I click on No New Work. I'll leave it on Allow New Work &amp; see it it gives me any when it's not supposed to ...

                PS: The Manager turned in 2 WU's and didn't Download any new work until I clicked to Allow New Work again, so as far as I can tell the No New Work Feature works for me anyway ...

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                Message 870 - Posted 12 Sep 2005 5:51:29 UTC

                  as one of the new "alpha" recruits i'd just like to add my support to updating the server side software.

                  It has added benefits of people being able to pick a password for there account and from then on being able to log into their account here with their e-mail and password ( saves having to dig through your e-mails for the hash ).

                  Not to mention the added benefit of my 2 machines running the dev client would also still be able to crunch for sztaki =) which they can't till you upgrade your side of things heh.

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                  Message 947 - Posted 8 Oct 2005 0:01:33 UTC

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                    I just downloaded a SZTAKI WU with BOINC v5.1.1 installed, so it seems we will still be able to run the Project with the new version. I haven't finished a WU with it yet though to see what happens when I turn it in ...<I>


                    Thats interesting because it would appear that Sztaki is only accepting version 4 see this example from one of my version 5 boxes.
                    10/7/2005 6:00:39 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Sending scheduler request to http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/cgi-bin/scheduler
                    10/7/2005 6:00:39 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Reason: To fetch work
                    10/7/2005 6:00:39 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Requesting 172800 seconds of new work
                    10/7/2005 6:00:44 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Scheduler request to http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/cgi-bin/scheduler succeeded
                    10/7/2005 6:00:45 PM|SZTAKI Desktop Grid|Message from server: Need major version 4 of the BOINC core client. You have 5.

                    I know that Adam had some reservations on upgrading. Was wondering if things look a little cleaner for him based on the other projects that have upgraded with apparently, from the perspective of being on the outside looking in, few problems. Rosetta was the most recent to switch over. Thanks for any update.


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                    Message 948 - Posted 8 Oct 2005 13:19:27 UTC

                      It is definatly time to start upgrading the server I would think as most BOINC projects have now upgraded and it isn't going to be too long before version 5 is the recommened BOINC client.

                      Whilst the server is upgraded to the new software prehaps some english pages could be slipped in too!!!
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                      Message 955 - Posted 10 Oct 2005 1:31:47 UTC

                        <i>most BOINC projects have now upgraded</i>
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                        Message 959 - Posted 10 Oct 2005 13:19:52 UTC

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                          If it still is due to the difficulties translating the pages from Hungarian to English, then make better use of <a href="http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/language_select.php">this translation page</a> that comes with each and every version 4 &amp; 5 server software.

                          Boinc client v5.2.0 is about to be released this week over on the major projects. Don't get caught out. Else patch up your server software so V5 clients can at least communicate with the V4 server, like CPDN did.
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                          Message 962 - Posted 11 Oct 2005 22:51:41 UTC

                            BOINC V5.2.1 has been released; there MAY be a bug in the Windows version, so the default download is still 4.45, but this will probably change tomorrow to either 5.2.1 or 5.2.2.

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                            Message 963 - Posted 12 Oct 2005 15:43:51 UTC

                              "The major-version-checks was removed from the code in July, meaning all projects have by now had 3+ months to upgrade their scheduling-server. During the same period there's also been multiple other changes/bug-fixes, so..."

                              <a href="http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=21099#177119">source</a>.

                              Besides, the added BBCode to these forums would make things easier as well. ;)
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                              Message 971 - Posted 18 Oct 2005 18:19:16 UTC

                                Come on Admin/Developers your losing out on valuable time to upgrade your servers to the latest result, BOINC Version 5.X is due to come out very shortly which means this project will no longer be compatiable evryone else has upgraded there servers ready for this switch over
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                                Message 972 - Posted 20 Oct 2005 2:05:26 UTC

                                  All my machines are running 5.2.2, waiting to attach some of them...
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                                  Message 973 - Posted 20 Oct 2005 2:50:30 UTC

                                    &gt; <i>Is it a good idea to support a platform that is in it's testing phase?</i>

                                    5.2.2 is now the Recommended version for Windows (5.2.3 for Linux).

                                    sztaki is down to only 1 active host for me. Soon i will be inactive here.
                                    Ahhhh. Help!
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                                    Message 974 - Posted 20 Oct 2005 5:59:27 UTC

                                      A claasic case of the Developers not listening to the people that count, Us the Crunchers!!!!

                                      I think there argument was 5.X was in a testing phase at the time which it was but the server side of it which they need to upgrade to wasnt in a testing phase it is the BOINC Client that was been tweaked and perfected and as we all said this project is now going to be left behind my most pople as they upggrade to the new client
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                                      Message 976 - Posted 21 Oct 2005 0:19:35 UTC

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                                        I'll still have SZTAKI running on my Mac, until the Mac version of 5.2.2 is released (still has a bug, still running 4.72 at the moment) - but yes, my Windows box is about to be upgraded and SZTAKI removed.

                                        They had all of September and 2/3 of October to upgrade and didn't...

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                                        Message 977 - Posted 22 Oct 2005 19:17:01 UTC

                                          I don't think it's really a SZTAKI problem, more a problem with the original server software that SZTAKI used. As far as I can see they started off with a Hungarian version of the server software. If they would put Boinc Server 5 over this, everything would be in English, since there is no Hungarian version available (through the .po files).

                                          Since we don't know if their server can run correctly with the English version, or that they need to translate key parts to English first, it's best to ask. ;)
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                                          Message 980 - Posted 23 Oct 2005 12:27:09 UTC

                                            I'm currently on a hiatus because of the compatability problem.

                                            Seems a shame but hopefully it'll be fixed soon.
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                                            Message 981 - Posted 23 Oct 2005 19:23:55 UTC

                                              It is a SZTAKI problem they monitor these boards and could quite easily post a message to say they are soon to upgrade the server or they are working on it. Silence doesnt help
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                                              Message 989 - Posted 26 Oct 2005 0:50:23 UTC

                                                Ageless, you are the clever guy! What's happening is that my bosses refused to give permission to install 5.x before testing it on a separate machine...so I'm doing that and meanwhile also upgrading the translation...so I'm not bored and working as fas as I can, please be patient everyone...5.x will really help us and also the whole translation will be ready...
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                                                Message 991 - Posted 26 Oct 2005 6:12:32 UTC

                                                  At last some information I will wait then until you upgrade the server before I upgrade myself to 5.X
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                                                  Message 996 - Posted 26 Oct 2005 11:08:12 UTC

                                                    Nice to know I was right, but it still doesn't explain why you don't use the language_select.php site and .po files embedded in the BOINC Server software. It's nice to have you translate it to Hungarian again, but if you have to do this each and every time that the server software changes, it's getting a bit long in the tooth having to wait for you again and again.

                                                    I'd say, let your bosses pass by on <a href="http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_translate.php">the translation site</a> and have them contact Jens.
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                                                    Message 998 - Posted 27 Oct 2005 19:40:11 UTC

                                                      Ageless: as a side-effect of our upgrading we'll make the whole site translatable in a revolutionized way, making it able to translate the whole site, not just the BOINC-allowed ones...
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                                                      Message 1005 - Posted 28 Oct 2005 21:31:42 UTC

                                                        Thanks for the news update, Adam. I think we can wait somewhat longer. I'm sure PrimeGrid doesn't mind me crunching their units only. ;)
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                                                        Message 1006 - Posted 29 Oct 2005 9:34:44 UTC

                                                          Well, running 4.72 on all machines is good enough for the moment. But, waiting for SDG to upgrade is one of the reasons I backed down from the install of the 5.2x clients (had some other odd problems and I decided to back down - though indications are that these were unrelated issues) ...

                                                          Also, I think the new "improved" system for doing attachments is worse than the old ... but that is just me ...
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                                                          Message 1007 - Posted 29 Oct 2005 9:45:08 UTC

                                                            BOINC is now on 5.2.5 some minor issues have been ironed out and you now attach to Projects with your email address and password, no longer do you need to use the account key. You set the passwords for your projects from within your account details on each projct page which supports 5.X
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                                                            Message 1008 - Posted 29 Oct 2005 11:18:48 UTC

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