Posts by Chris Kojiro

1) Message boards : SZTAKI Desktop Grid : Problem with workunit upload, 2005 redux. (Message 7562)
Posted 3260 days ago by Chris Kojiro
Howdy, I\'ve run into the same problem reported in 2005, at the beginning of this archived thread.

A current example:


18-Nov-2008 10:45:39 [SZTAKI Desktop Grid] Started upload of caa03215-1b38-489c-abd4-252c594ad6ff_07e017ef-0618-4e99-bfb9-e0d4f7cd9e84_636_1_1
18-Nov-2008 10:45:42 [SZTAKI Desktop Grid] [error] Error on file upload: can\'t open file
18-Nov-2008 10:45:42 [SZTAKI Desktop Grid] Temporarily failed upload of caa03215-1b38-489c-abd4-252c594ad6ff_07e017ef-0618-4e99-bfb9-e0d4f7cd9e84_636_1_1: transient upload error
18-Nov-2008 10:45:42 [SZTAKI Desktop Grid] Backing off 16 min 54 sec on upload of caa03215-1b38-489c-abd4-252c594ad6ff_07e017ef-0618-4e99-bfb9-e0d4f7cd9e84_636_1_1


The 2 workunits I see this type error are:
caa03215-1b38-489c-abd4-252c594ad6ff_e8aaa5b7-c8e7-49c2-8d55-6cdbb72d18e2_664
caa03215-1b38-489c-abd4-252c594ad6ff_07e017ef-0618-4e99-bfb9-e0d4f7cd9e84_636


Thanks for any help, Chris

p.s. I think the web page for the BBCcode tags has an error. A quote should end with \"[/quote]\", not \"[/quoted]\". Unless this message board has been customized, in which case ignore this post script.
2) Message boards : Észrevételek, tapasztalatok : Problem with WU upload (Message 7560)
Posted 3260 days ago by Chris Kojiro
Howdy, I\'ve run into the same problem reported in 2005, at the beginning of this thread.

An example:


18-Nov-2008 10:45:39 [SZTAKI Desktop Grid] Started upload of caa03215-1b38-489c-abd4-252c594ad6ff_07e017ef-0618-4e99-bfb9-e0d4f7cd9e84_636_1_1
18-Nov-2008 10:45:42 [SZTAKI Desktop Grid] [error] Error on file upload: can\'t open file
18-Nov-2008 10:45:42 [SZTAKI Desktop Grid] Temporarily failed upload of caa03215-1b38-489c-abd4-252c594ad6ff_07e017ef-0618-4e99-bfb9-e0d4f7cd9e84_636_1_1: transient upload error
18-Nov-2008 10:45:42 [SZTAKI Desktop Grid] Backing off 16 min 54 sec on upload of caa03215-1b38-489c-abd4-252c594ad6ff_07e017ef-0618-4e99-bfb9-e0d4f7cd9e84_636_1_1


The 2 workunits I see this type error are:
caa03215-1b38-489c-abd4-252c594ad6ff_e8aaa5b7-c8e7-49c2-8d55-6cdbb72d18e2_664
caa03215-1b38-489c-abd4-252c594ad6ff_07e017ef-0618-4e99-bfb9-e0d4f7cd9e84_636

As I noted this is with regard to the original post at the start of the thread, and not to the discussion, although interesting, about the Magyar language.

Thanks for any help, Chris

p.s. I think the web page for the BBCcode tags has an error. A quote should end with \"[/quote]\", not \"[/quoted]\". Unless this message board has been customized, in which case ignore this post script.
3) Message boards : SZTAKI Desktop Grid : Workunit error - check skipped (Message 5915)
Posted 3874 days ago by Chris Kojiro
\"APP: Output is empty\" results in another peculiar response from this project. Now credit is being given even though the \"APP: Output is empty\" result is reported. While this seems at first glance to be a good response, in that it rewards users attempts to run the application even when the result is \"empty\" through no fault of theirs. But, then the users who do produce a full (potentially valid) result are short changed in the amount of credit they are given. And, worse, it encourages people to abort a workunit when they see most of the previous results were \"APP: Output is empty\", because they know they will be given some credit, as long as they have run for a short period of time. No reason to let it run to completion, since they will get the same amount of credit if they abort the workunit early and get the \"APP: Output is empty\" result.

Of course I noticed this because of its effect on my results. In which case I completed the calculations, but was given the same amount of credit as the users with the \"APP: Output is empty\" result. These are some examples:

1.) workunit 11170
2.) workunt 10168
3.) workunit 15039

While I\'m happy to get some credit, it just doesn\'t seem fair. Plus as noted above, it encourages users to abort any workunit where the previous results have returned the \"APP: Output is empty\" message. Ultimately, a fix has to be found for the checkpoint problem that seems to lead to the \"APP: Output is empty\" message. Thanks for allowing me to vent.

Happy trails to you, Chris
4) Message boards : SZTAKI Desktop Grid : Workunit error - check skipped (Message 5760)
Posted 3890 days ago by Chris Kojiro
The plot thickens. Another workunit with Too many success results; but, there are actually three results, without the notation \"APP: Output is empty\", that actually look like they could be good results. But, it appears that the potentially \"good\" results aren\'t even checked because of the validator accepting the \"empty\" results as \"successful\". Argh (or some similar spelling indicating frustration).

The hopefully \"good\" results are:
1)
2)
3)

Although, as I copy the url\'s for these results I note that 3)
may be suspect. I.e. an instance of a reset on a single line workunit that did not produce an \"empty output\" notice. Well, I\'ll leave it up to the \"powers that be\" to analyze this in detail and provide a final judgment. Nevertheless, I remain frustrated.

May your computing be fruitful, Chris
5) Message boards : SZTAKI Desktop Grid : Workunit error - check skipped (Message 5524)
Posted 3926 days ago by Chris Kojiro
Addendum:
With regard to the \"APP: Output is empty\" see this,and also this and the posts that they note.

Thanks, Czesc, Chris

6) Message boards : SZTAKI Desktop Grid : Workunit error - check skipped (Message 5522)
Posted 3926 days ago by Chris Kojiro
Howdy all,

Well, now a workunit with Too many success results. If you examine the individual results with an outcome of Success you\'ll find all, except one (mine), have that maddening notation of \"APP: Output is empty\". This has been noted (eg) quite frequently recently as a big annoyance involving a problem with checkpoints in conjunction with reinitializing boinc (see also). Besides the fact that this involves one of my results, I\'m bringing this up to ask why the reversion back to the old workunit limits of 5,8,5? I.e.

max # of error/total/success results 5, 8, 5

These limits had been bumped up to 10,20,10 a few months back, (eg). A recent post noted that there is some logic to a smaller limit, but as noted by the same poster there is also some basis to the increase in limits.
At the very least there has to be some mechanism to provide credit for those who persevere and obtain \"non-empty\" results; otherwise, everyone well just abort any workunit that already has a significant number of \"empty\" results

........

Another question, why are not the \"APP: Output is empty\" results considered errors? The BOINC program may consider them a Success, but this project knows better.

Happy computing, Chris
7) Message boards : SZTAKI Desktop Grid : Workunit error - check skipped (Message 4636)
Posted 3999 days ago by Chris Kojiro
Another Workunit with Too many total results. This one affects not only me, but also another user.

There is another newer thread dealing with the same problem.

There will always be some cases where \"Too many total results\" or \"Too many error reults\" will need to be applied for an unusual Workunit. But, there seem to be too many of these Workunits in this project.

Something needs to be done to ameliorate the denial of credits to conscientious users, through no fault of their own. I echo Nightbird\'s request to Adam that the limits be increased.

Chris
8) Message boards : SZTAKI Desktop Grid : Workunit error - check skipped (Message 4558)
Posted 4008 days ago by Chris Kojiro
Thanks for the replies, they explain the \"workunit error\".

I agree with the suggestion to increase the max number of results for this project, perhaps from 8 to some higher number e.g. 12 or 16.
Also, increase the max number of error resutls from 5 to something like 10 or 14.
9) Message boards : SZTAKI Desktop Grid : Workunit error - check skipped (Message 4549)
Posted 4009 days ago by Chris Kojiro
Workunit error - check skipped

What does it mean?

See:
http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/result.php?resultid=90609

There was a post in the \"old\" message board with a similar title, but I couldn\'t deduce a coherent answer from the posted responses. Maybe I\'m just over thinking. But after 6.5 days of processiing you have to question the results, or lack of. And this is not the first one of these, just the first time I\'m posting.

I think this is very interesting science, but whats going on with the application?


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